Possible for a body to have zero velocity and non-zero acceleration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether a body can have zero velocity while simultaneously experiencing non-zero acceleration. Participants explore this concept through examples and reasoning related to motion, particularly in the context of gravity and projectile motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that if velocity is not changing, then acceleration cannot exist, suggesting a misunderstanding of instantaneous velocity.
  • Others propose that a body can indeed have instantaneous zero velocity while experiencing non-zero acceleration, using the example of a ball thrown upwards, where at the peak of its trajectory, the velocity is zero but acceleration due to gravity remains constant.
  • A participant acknowledges a potential misunderstanding and suggests that a body cannot have constant acceleration and a time-varying velocity, prompting further clarification from others.
  • Another participant counters that a body under constant acceleration must have a time-varying velocity, emphasizing that while instantaneous zero velocity is possible, it cannot remain zero over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between velocity and acceleration, with some asserting that zero velocity precludes acceleration, while others maintain that they can coexist under specific conditions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference Newton's laws and gravitational effects, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of velocity and acceleration, particularly in instantaneous contexts.

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Is it possible for a body to have zero velocity and non-zero acceleration. I would have to say no because acceleration is the time rate of change of velocity. So, if velocity isn't changing, how can there be an acceleration. Is this answer accurate?
 
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Mitchtwitchita said:
Is it possible for a body to have zero velocity and non-zero acceleration. I would have to say no because acceleration is the time rate of change of velocity. So, if velocity isn't changing, how can there be an acceleration. Is this answer accurate?

You're forgetting that a body can have an instantaneous zero velocity, and yet, it's velocity is also changing. Throw a ball up in the air. At the highest peak, it's velocity has a zero velocity for an instant. Yet, all through the motion, it still has an acceleration that is non-zero, which is g.

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Gravity! Then I guess, I would have been wrong. So, I would have to say now that a body is unable to travel with a constant acceleration and a time-varying velocity. Would you say that this is a correct assumption?
 


Mitchtwitchita said:
Gravity! Then I guess, I would have been wrong. So, I would have to say now that a body is unable to travel with a constant acceleration and a time-varying velocity. Would you say that this is a correct assumption?

No. Let's take Zz's example of a ball thrown up in the air. We pretend the Earth is so large that it doesn't move, and only the ball does. The ball moves only a short distance, so we approximate the gravitational force to be constant over the ball's trajectory.

Force of gravity between the ball and Earth = mg,
where m is the mass of the ball
where g is a constant, which represents the "effect of the gravitational mass of the earth".

Newton's 2nd law, F=ma,
where F is the total force on the ball
where m is again the mass of the ball
where a is the acceleration of the ball in response to F.

Since gravity is the only force on the ball, we combine the force of gravity and Newton's 2nd law as follows: mg=ma.
Hence a=g.

So the acceleration of the ball is constant in magnitude and direction. When you throw the ball upwards, a is downwards and opposite to the velocity, so the ball "decelerates". At the top of the trajectory, the ball has instantaneous 0 velocity. Then it moves downwards, a is still downwards but now in the same direction as the velocity, and the ball "accelerates". (Sorry I used "accelerate" in two slightly different ways here, hence the bolding for the first technically correct use, and the quotes over the second colloquial use.)
 
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Mitchtwitchita said:
Gravity! Then I guess, I would have been wrong. So, I would have to say now that a body is unable to travel with a constant acceleration and a time-varying velocity. Would you say that this is a correct assumption?

Perhaps I have missunderstood your question, but I think that a body traveling with a constant acceleration is not only able to have a time-varying velovity, it absolutely must have one. Perhaps you meant that a body under constant acceleration is unable to have a velovity that is constant over time? I would agree with that (form an inertial reference frame, of course). An accelerating body may have an "instantaeous zero velocity," as Zz said, but that velocity cannot remain zero over time.
 

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