Potential energy of a System of charges

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The discussion revolves around calculating the potential energy and initial velocity of a third electron in a system with two fixed electrons. The initial configuration has the third electron at infinity, while the final configuration places it midway between the two fixed electrons. The potential energy equations are derived using Coulomb's law, but there is confusion regarding the notation and the introduction of multiple potential energy terms. The method is generally correct, but participants emphasize the need for clarity in the equations and the correct treatment of distances in the calculations. The conversation also touches on the realism of the exercise, suggesting that it is a valid theoretical scenario for understanding electrostatics.
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Homework Statement
Two electrons are fixed 2.0 cm apart. Another electron is shot from infinity and stops midway
between the two. What is its initial speed?
Relevant Equations
NA
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This is my attempt the system

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The 1 is the initial configuration where the 3 electron is at infinity.

The 2 is the final configuration where the 3 electron is midway.U1 is the potential energy between e1 and e2
U1 = (q1*q2)/(4*π*ε0 * (0.02)^2); // q1, q2 charge of electrons
K1 = 0.5*me*V^2; // me mass of electron, V initial velocity to find out.

In configuration 2:

Potential energy = U12 + U13 + U23;

U12 = U1;
U13 = U23 = (q1*q2)/(4*π*ε0 * (0.01)^2);

U1 + K1 = U12 + U13 + U23;
K1 = 2*e2/(4*π*ε0 * (0.01)^2);
I then find the initial velocity, Is my understanding correct? Please advise.
 
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Physicslearner500039 said:
U1 = (q1*q2)/(4*π*ε0 * (0.02)^2); // q1, q2 charge of electrons
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Try again. From dimensions you can see this isn't right My bad o:) --- ##U## is an energy, not a potential. The notation confused me.

I am almost confused by a renaming action like ##U_1 = U_{12}## -- Why introduce this ? Next line, you write ##U_1 ... = U_{12} ... ## again, as if you want to conceal that they are one and the same.

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Is my understanding correct?
Why the doubt ?

PS do you think this is a realistic exercise ? Why / c.q. Why not ?
 
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Physicslearner500039 said:
Homework Statement:: Two electrons are fixed 2.0 cm apart. Another electron is shot from infinity and stops midway
between the two. What is its initial speed?U1 is the potential energy between e1 and e25

In configuration 2:

Potential energy = U12 + U13 + U23;
The electrons 1 and 2 are fixed. only the potential energy of the third one counts., the energy of the third electron is conserved.
 
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Physicslearner500039 said:
Homework Statement:: Two electrons are fixed 2.0 cm apart. Another electron is shot from infinity and stops midway
between the two. What is its initial speed?
Relevant Equations:: NA

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This is my attempt the system

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The 1 is the initial configuration where the 3 electron is at infinity.

The 2 is the final configuration where the 3 electron is midway.U1 is the potential energy between e1 and e2
U1 = (q1*q2)/(4*π*ε0 * (0.02)^2); // q1, q2 charge of electrons
K1 = 0.5*me*V^2; // me mass of electron, V initial velocity to find out.

In configuration 2:

Potential energy = U12 + U13 + U23;

U12 = U1;
U13 = U23 = (q1*q2)/(4*π*ε0 * (0.01)^2);

U1 + K1 = U12 + U13 + U23;
K1 = 2*e2/(4*π*ε0 * (0.01)^2);
I then find the initial velocity, Is my understanding correct? Please advise.
Method is correct. But you should not square the position. It is like U= ( K x q1 x q2) / r
I think do
 
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Equate the potential energy of the third charge at the midpoint to the kineic energy at infinity. Looks like you're trying to do that. Also note what neelima said about r. I don't understand why you have all those ##U_{ij} ## terms. There is only one potential energy, and one kinetic energy.
 
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(For extra credit:) The third electron sits exactly between the two stationary electrons. The third electron is then displaced a small amount directly towards one of the stationary electrons. What is the frequency of oscillation?
 
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