Potential Energy of a system of Point Charges

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The problem involves calculating the potential energy of a system of three point charges, specifically two identical positive charges and one negative charge, positioned along the x-axis. The goal is to find the position of the negative charge such that the total potential energy of the system is equivalent to that at infinite separation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the formula for electric potential energy and sets up an equation based on the work done in the system. They express uncertainty about their algebraic manipulation and seek clarification on their approach.
  • Some participants suggest simplifying the equation by eliminating common factors and rearranging terms to form a quadratic equation, while others question the correctness of the terms used in the equation.
  • There is a discussion about the potential need to adjust the equation based on the correct interpretation of the distances involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different perspectives on the algebraic setup and potential solutions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formation of a quadratic equation, but there remains a lack of consensus on the correct approach and interpretation of the terms involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the distances in the equation and the implications of the negative charge's position. There is also mention of a marked-up test, indicating that the original poster may have prior knowledge of the expected answer.

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Homework Statement



Two identical charges q are placed on the x axis, one at the origin and the other at x = 5 cm. A third charge -q is placed on the x-axis so the potential energy of the three-charge system is the same as the potential energy at infinite separation. Its x coordinate is: (x=13)

Homework Equations



I know the correct answer to this one because I'm looking over a marked up test in preparation for the final.

I've been using the equations for the electric potential energy of a system of point charges:

[tex]U=W=k\frac{q_{1}q_{2}}{r}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



...and expanding that to the work of the entire system:

[tex]W=0=W_{12}+W_{23}+W_{13}[/tex]

so,[tex]W=0=k\frac{q_{1}q_{2}}{5}+k\frac{q_{2}q_{3}}{d}+k\frac{q_{1}q_{3}}{5+d}[/tex]

Since [tex]q_{3}[/tex] is negative, simplify:

[tex]W=0=k\frac{q^{2}}{5}-k\frac{q^{2}}{d}-k\frac{q^{2}}{5+d}[/tex]I might be missing something simple in algebra, but I can't figure out how to simplify this down enough to solve for [tex]d[/tex].

Any ideas? Am I even on the right track here?

Thanks!
 
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[tex]kq^2[/tex] can be eliminated (as the right hand side is equal to zero), and this leaves you with:

[tex]\frac{1}{5} -\frac{1}{d} -\frac{1}{5+d}=0[/tex]. Take the negative terms to one side and cross multiply to get a quadratic equation in d. Solve quadratic for d. There are two possible solutions as this is a quadratic.
 
I'm sorry, I forgot to mention that I tried doing a quadratic, but was unable to get the correct answer. Also, I think that the correct term should be [tex]\frac{1}{(d-5)}[/tex], not [tex]\frac{1}{5+d}[/tex].
 
Yes. You're right. I didnt look at the whole post. The solution, however, is [tex]x=\frac{15}{2}+-\frac{5\sqrt{5}}{2}[/tex]
 

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