Potential energy of earth and gravity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of gravitational potential energy for a mass placed at a height equal to the Earth's radius. Participants explore different approaches to the problem and the implications of defining the reference point for potential energy.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated the potential energy as mgR/4 and questioned why their teacher's answer of mgR/2 was considered correct.
  • Another participant noted that the calculation of potential energy depends on the chosen reference point for zero potential energy, suggesting that both answers could be valid under different assumptions.
  • A participant pointed out that the teacher's approach assumes zero potential energy at infinity, while the original calculation assumed it at the Earth's surface.
  • There was a discussion about the correct formula for gravitational potential energy, with references to both U = -Gm1m2/r and U = mg(r - R) being mentioned.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the discrepancy in answers arises from different assumptions about the reference point for potential energy. However, there is no consensus on which approach is definitively correct.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of defining the reference point for potential energy, which affects the calculated values. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of gravitational formulas at different distances.

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Assume Earth's radius R and there is a mass m. We put that mass in height of R from the Earth's surface. I want to calculate it's potential energy.

I calculated it and got mgR/4 but my teacher said the answer is mgR/2 . Why my answer is wrong?

I just calculated the gravity in the height of R and applied it to e = mgh
 
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Hi Bandarigoda! :smile:
Bandarigoda said:
I calculated it and got mgR/4 but my teacher said the answer is mgR/2 . Why my answer is wrong?

I just calculated the gravity in the height of R and applied it to e = mgh

?? :confused:

Show us your full calculations. :smile:

(and at that distance you can't treat gravity as constant)
 
Either answer can be right or wrong, depending on where the potential energy is supposed to be zero. Unless you fix that, the discussion is meaningless.
 
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You are assuming zero potential energy at the surface of Earth while your teacher's doing it at infinity. Both answers are correct but at these distances infinity is usually used.
Your teacher is using the formula:
$$U= \frac {Gm_1m_2}{R}$$ [edited]
Assuming U=0 at R=##\infty##
 
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ahhh now i understand …

you've correctly found the different values of g(r) (as a function of radial distance r),

but then you've used mgh (= mg(r - R)) for potential energy,

instead of -MmG/r :wink:
 
Oh thank you very much guys. I got it now.
 
Enigman said:
Your teacher is using the formula:
$$U= \frac {Gm_1m_2}{R^2}$$
Assuming U=0 at R=##\infty##

for the record: that should be
##U= -\frac {Gm_1m_2}{R}## :wink:
 
Uncaffeinated brain fart.
:redface:
 

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