Is the Concept of Potentials Incompatible with Relativity?

In summary, the conversation discusses the validity of quantum mechanics in the nonrelativistic regime and its refusal to obey relativity. It is argued that this is due to the concept of potentials being untenable in relativity, as it assumes information transfer at an infinite speed. The use of potentials in the Schrodinger equation for the hydrogen atom problem is also questioned, as it does not account for retardation. Instead, it is suggested that the true merger between quantum theory and special relativity is achieved through relativistic quantum field theory, which does not rely on potentials.
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please elaborate ..." particle quantum mechanics is valid in the nonrelativistic regime by definition ...it refuses to obey relativity ...this is not bcoz we write non relativistic hamiltonians bt the concept of potentials is untenable in relativity ...since it assumes the transfer of information at an infinite speed"what do we mean when we say that the concept of potentials is untenable
 
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Consider the hydrogen atom problem in QM, in which you put the Coulomb potential in the Schrodinger equation. Now ask yourself what happens if the proton is moved suddenly? According to QM the electron knows about this instantly, without any retardation. For this reason the true merger between quantum theory and SR is not relativistic quantum mechanics, but rather relativistic quantum field theory, which does not use potentials.

I wouldn't agree with the part of the statement that says, "this is not bcoz we write non relativistic hamiltonians", because that is clearly part of the problem. And not surprisingly, when the relativistic Hamiltonian is quantized, you end up with a theory that makes more accurate predictions.
 
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in relativity?"

When we say that the concept of potentials is untenable in relativity, we are referring to the fundamental principles of relativity, which state that the laws of physics should be the same for all observers regardless of their relative motion. In other words, the concept of potentials, which are used to describe the forces acting on particles, assumes that information can be transferred instantaneously, which goes against the principles of relativity.

In classical mechanics, potentials are used to describe the forces acting on particles, such as gravitational or electric forces. However, in relativity, the concept of potentials breaks down because it implies that information can be transferred at an infinite speed. This goes against the fundamental principle of relativity, which states that the speed of light is the maximum speed at which information can be transferred.

Additionally, in relativity, the concept of potentials is replaced by the concept of fields. Fields are used to describe the interactions between particles, and they do not rely on the assumption of instantaneous information transfer. This allows for a consistent and unified description of the laws of physics in all reference frames.

In summary, the concept of potentials is untenable in relativity because it violates the fundamental principles of relativity and is replaced by the concept of fields, which provides a more consistent and unified description of the laws of physics in all reference frames.
 

FAQ: Is the Concept of Potentials Incompatible with Relativity?

1. What is the concept of potentials in relativity?

Potentials in relativity refer to the mathematical quantities used to describe the interactions between particles or objects in the theory of relativity. They are related to the concept of fields, which describe the influence of one object or particle on another. Potentials are important in understanding the effects of gravity and electromagnetism in relativity.

2. How are potentials related to fields in relativity?

Potentials and fields are closely related in relativity, with potentials being the mathematical representation of fields. In general, potentials are the gradients of the fields, meaning they show the rate of change of the field at a given point. By understanding the potentials, we can determine the strength and direction of the field at any point in space.

3. What is the difference between scalar and vector potentials in relativity?

In relativity, scalar potentials are quantities that have only magnitude and no direction, while vector potentials have both magnitude and direction. Scalar potentials are used to describe the gravitational potential, while vector potentials are used to describe electromagnetic fields. Scalar potentials can also be thought of as the time component of a four-vector, while vector potentials are the spatial components.

4. How are potentials used in the study of black holes in relativity?

Potentials play a crucial role in understanding the properties of black holes in relativity. For example, the gravitational potential around a black hole is so strong that it causes light to bend and objects to accelerate towards the center. This potential is described by the Schwarzschild metric, which is a solution to Einstein's field equations. Potentials are also used in studying the event horizon and the curvature of space around a black hole.

5. Can potentials in relativity be observed or measured?

While potentials themselves cannot be directly observed or measured, their effects can be observed and measured. For example, the gravitational potential of a planet can be measured by observing the acceleration of an object towards its surface. Similarly, the potential of an electric field can be measured by observing the force on a charged particle in that field. Potentials are also used in the calculations and predictions of relativistic phenomena that can be observed, such as the bending of light around massive objects or the behavior of particles in particle accelerators.

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