Power 4 equation to Quadratic factors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenge of factoring the polynomial x4 + 1 into real quadratic factors. Participants explore different methods and considerations related to this problem, including the implications of complex roots.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests splitting x4 + 1 as (x2 + ax + b)(x2 + cx + d) and mentions that this leads to a system of equations to solve.
  • Another participant questions whether it is possible to factor x4 + 1 into real quadratic factors, noting that some functions may not have such factors and suggesting the examination of complex roots.
  • A participant provides the complex roots of x4 + 1 = 0 and proposes that one can multiply pairs of these roots to check for real quadratic factors.
  • One participant asserts that all real polynomials can be split into real quadratic and linear factors, which seems to contradict the earlier concerns about the existence of real quadratic factors for this specific polynomial.
  • Another participant clarifies that a polynomial with a power of 4 is referred to as quartic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether x4 + 1 can be factored into real quadratic factors, with some suggesting it may not be possible while others assert that all real polynomials can be factored in this way. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific case of x4 + 1.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the roots and the conditions under which real quadratic factors exist. The discussion also highlights the dependence on understanding complex numbers for certain approaches.

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Hi,

I have a problem with splitting x4 + 1 into real quadratic factors. How can this be done?

Cheers.
 
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Hi basil! :smile:

Say we split it as

x^4+1=(x^2+ax+b)(x^2+cx+d)

Try to factor the left side. You'll obtain a system of equations that you need to solve...
 
basil said:
Hi,

I have a problem with splitting x4 + 1 into real quadratic factors. How can this be done?

Cheers.

What do you mean by this? Do you want to factor it into:

x4 + 1 = (x2 + ax + b)(x2 + cx + d) where a,b,c,d are real?

If this is the case, some functions might not have real "quadratic factors". The only way to know for sure is to look at the complex roots of

x4 + 1 = 0

and multiply. For instance, the only roots of this are the four roots of unity:

r = e^{\frac{i \pi}{4}} , e^{\frac{i 3 \pi}{4}} , e^{\frac{i 5 \pi}{4}} , e^{\frac{i 7 \pi}{4}}

So we can factor into:

x4 + 1 = (x - e^{\frac{i \pi}{4}})(x - e^{\frac{i 3 \pi}{4}})(x - e^{\frac{i 5 \pi}{4}})(x - e^{\frac{i 7 \pi}{4}})

Now multiply any two arbitary factors together and if you get all real numbers in the quadratic, you have a winner.

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Side note: If you haven't learned about complex numbers yet, I can't think of a better way of doing it than this.
 
micromass said:
Hi basil! :smile:

Say we split it as

x^4+1=(x^2+ax+b)(x^2+cx+d)

Try to factor the left side. You'll obtain a system of equations that you need to solve...

This might be take less time for this problem. I'd race you but I have no paper. :frown:
 
gb7nash said:
If this is the case, some functions might not have real "quadratic factors".

All real polynomials can be split into real quadratic and linear factors! :smile:
 
Just for reference, and function with a power of 4 is a quartic.:wink:
 

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