Power and torque what did i do wrong?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the power output required to maintain a steady speed of a cylindrical platform slowing down due to friction. The initial calculations yielded an average power of 3.6 HP based on the work done by friction over time. However, it was pointed out that this approach only accounts for average power during deceleration, not the instantaneous power needed at the start. The correct method involves using the instantaneous power formula for rotational motion to accurately determine the power output required. The calculations and methodology need to be adjusted to reflect this understanding for accurate results.
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Homework Statement


A rotating uniform cylindrical platform of mass 230 kg and radius 5.6 m slows down from 3.8 rev/s to rest in 16 s when the driving motor is disconnected. Estimate the power output of the motor (\rm hp) required to maintain a steady speed of 3.8 rev/s


Homework Equations


Wfriction=change in KE = -.5*I*w^2
power=work/time


The Attempt at a Solution


So I was was able to get the amount of work that the friction force does and it was -.5 (.5 * MR^2)w^2 = 45053.39J and that work done by friction is the same amount of work needed for the motor to output. So the power of the motor needed is 45053.39/16s = 2690.8Watts and to convert that to HP I just divide by 746W and got 3.6HP. is that right?
 
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I fear the calculation for energy is not correct, Please recalculate. (Don't forget to convert rev/s into radians/s)
 


is it 86.12HP? I guess I did forget to do that conversion, but is the method correct?
 


HI ahello888a,

ahello888a said:

Homework Statement


A rotating uniform cylindrical platform of mass 230 kg and radius 5.6 m slows down from 3.8 rev/s to rest in 16 s when the driving motor is disconnected. Estimate the power output of the motor (\rm hp) required to maintain a steady speed of 3.8 rev/s


Homework Equations


Wfriction=change in KE = -.5*I*w^2
power=work/time


The Attempt at a Solution


So I was was able to get the amount of work that the friction force does and it was -.5 (.5 * MR^2)w^2 = 45053.39J and that work done by friction is the same amount of work needed for the motor to output. So the power of the motor needed is 45053.39/16s = 2690.8Watts and to convert that to HP I just divide by 746W and got 3.6HP. is that right?

I don't believe this is the correct approach. This power that you are finding here is the average power from the frictional torque during the entire slowing down process. But while the speed is decreasing, the power from friction is also decreasing.


So here you need the power at the beginning of the slowing down process. What is the formula for the instantaneous power (for the rotational case)?
 
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