Power Input for Motor and Back EMF

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between back electromotive force (emf), power input, and the operational characteristics of DC motors, particularly focusing on how these factors change with motor speed and load conditions. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of motor performance, including efficiency and power draw under various conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that back emf reduces current when a motor is rotating at high speed, suggesting that this reduction in current implies a decrease in power required at high speeds.
  • Others clarify that while back emf increases at higher speeds, leading to reduced current, this condition typically occurs when the motor is unloaded or lightly loaded, thus not requiring much mechanical power.
  • One participant questions whether the power drawn by the motor is minimized at high speed and maximized at stall, noting that maximum electrical power is drawn when the motor is stalled, despite delivering zero mechanical power at that point.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between load and motor performance, indicating that as a motor is loaded, it slows down, draws more current, and outputs more power, while back emf decreases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between back emf, current, and power draw at various speeds and load conditions. There is no consensus on the implications of these relationships, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the efficiency curves of DC motors, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and assumptions regarding motor operation and efficiency. The relationship between voltage, current, and output power is also noted as a key factor in understanding motor performance.

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Hello everyone, I'm a bit confused about the power drawn by a motor. Since back emf reduces current when the motor is rotating at high speed, is it true that back emf reduces the power required at high speed? THX :D
 
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psycho said:
Hello everyone, I'm a bit confused about the power drawn by a motor. Since back emf reduces current when the motor is rotating at high speed, is it true that back emf reduces the power required at high speed? THX :D
Hi psycho. http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5725/red5e5etimes5e5e45e5e25.gif

Yes. At the higher speed back emf is greater, so current reduces. Of course, you'll only see such high range speeds when the motor is unloaded, or very lightly loaded, so it isn't being required to produce much mechanical power (compared to its full capabilitiy) under those conditions, anyway.
 
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Hello nascent, how about the power drawn by the motor? Is it Also minimum at highspeed and maximum when stall?
 
psycho said:
Hello nascent, how about the power drawn by the motor? Is it Also minimum at highspeed and maximum when stall?
If you operate your DC motor from a fixed voltage, then the motor draws maximum electrical power when stalled. Note, that when stalled the motor is delivering zero mechanical power to its shaft, ω=0.
 
Google dc motor efficiency curves and look at torque, current, rpm and power output (efficiency) curves.

When a motor is unloaded it spins at maximum rpm and draws little current and outputs no power. As you load it down it spins slower, draws more current and outputs more power. If the motor were 100% efficient, the Voltage X Current drawn would equal the output power. As the motor slows down due to load, the back emf reduces so the current (and output power) increases.
 

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