Prerequisites for learning MSSM --> proton decay prediction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the prerequisites for understanding the Minimal Supersymmetric Standard Model (MSSM) in relation to proton decay, specifically in the decay channel p → K⁺ ν. Participants explore the theoretical background necessary for grasping the complexities of proton decay predictions and the relevance of MSSM compared to other theories like SU(5).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a need to understand the theory behind proton decay predictions, particularly in the context of MSSM, and seeks resources to aid their understanding.
  • Another participant questions the educational background of the original poster to gauge their level of understanding in theoretical particle physics.
  • A participant asks for clarification on what the original poster means by "write something," indicating a need for context regarding their project.
  • The original poster clarifies they are a postgrad student with some background in quantum field theory (QFT) and the Standard Model but feels the need to revisit foundational concepts.
  • There is a suggestion that SU(5) might be a more appropriate theory to consider than MSSM for predicting proton decay.
  • Some participants argue that MSSM alone does not predict proton decay unless combined with a Grand Unified Theory (GUT) like SU(5), particularly when R-parity is applied.
  • Another participant mentions that while SUSY has B-violating terms, R-parity typically blocks these processes, and SU(5) is noted as a theory that can lead to proton decay.
  • A participant provides a specific decay diagram related to proton decay, referencing a textbook for further reading on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether MSSM is the best framework for understanding proton decay, with some advocating for SU(5) and others emphasizing the need for a GUT in conjunction with MSSM. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most suitable theoretical approach.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights varying levels of familiarity with theoretical concepts and the complexity of the terminology involved. There are indications of missing assumptions regarding the applicability of MSSM and SU(5) in predicting proton decay.

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Hi all,

I'm attempting to write something on proton decay (specifically in the p \rightarrow K^{+} \nu channel) and need to understand some theory that predicts it. I'm under the impression that the MSSM is the most straightforward theory. However, I look through introductory texts/documents and I get lost almost immediately in a jungle of symbols and terminology that the author always assumes are understood. I'm wondering what I need to brush up on first before I tackle this stuff, and perhaps if anyone knows of any good resources to get me up and running?
 
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What is your current level of understanding in theoretical particle physics?
 
What do you mean with "write something"? What is your educational background, what is "something" supposed to be?

Edit: Orodruin was faster.
 
Orodruin said:
What is your current level of understanding in theoretical particle physics?

Well I'm a postgrad student, I've done courses in introductory QFT, QED, standard model etc. but that was a long time ago now, long enough to have forgotten it all. I'm looking through these texts and seeing so many things I'm vaguely familiar with but no longer remember the meaning of. So I'm not a complete beginner but I do need to cover the basics again in a timely manner.

mfb said:
What do you mean with "write something"? What is your educational background, what is "something" supposed to be?

Edit: Orodruin was faster.

Actually it's going to go into an early chapter of my PhD thesis. I've been able to ignore the underlying theory up till this point, I don't need to write a huge amount but I need to understand something.
 
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If you can write any theory, why pick MSSM? Why not SU(5)?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
If you can write any theory, why pick MSSM? Why not SU(5)?

Well maybe SU(5) is the one for me, my intention was to go for the most ubiqiutous one, I was under the impression that that might've been MSSM.
 
Well I don't think MSSM alone predicts proton decay (at least when R-parity is applied)... I think in the MSSM you have to get some GUT no matter what, to get proton decay (like the Supersymmetric SU(5) GUT).
 
SUSY has B-violating terms, and R-parity blocks it, SU(5) give sproton decay; usually too much.
 
It doesn't necessarily need sproton but also proton decay.
One diagram that can lead to such a decay (ud \rightarrow \bar{s} \bar{\nu} or p \rightarrow K^+ \bar{\nu}_i) is given below. Where the internal lines contain Yukawa couplings of the higgsino triplets \tilde{h}^{(3)}_1,\tilde{h}^{(3)}_2 to light squarks (\tilde{u}_{Li}) and sleptons (\tilde{e}_{Lj}) and the GUT partners of the MSSM higgsinos (\tilde{\chi}_k).
Of course one can find comments about such processes. Figure was taken from M.Drees's "Theory and Phenomenology of sParticles" pg.301 I think, fig.12.8.
OPer:You can have a look in that book if you like.
 

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