Present this matrix as a multiplication of elementary matrices question

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The discussion revolves around expressing a given matrix as a product of elementary matrices. Participants are exploring the concept of row-reduction and its relationship to elementary matrices in the context of linear algebra.

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  • Participants discuss the process of row-reducing a matrix and how each row operation corresponds to an elementary matrix. There are questions about the specific steps taken in a referenced solution and the notation used for elementary matrices.

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Some participants are attempting to clarify the relationship between elementary matrices and the row operations performed on the original matrix. There is an ongoing exploration of the number of elementary matrices involved and their inverses, with no explicit consensus reached on the interpretation of certain steps or notation.

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Participants are navigating potential confusion regarding the notation of elementary matrices and the operations leading to their formation. There are references to specific row operations and their implications for the inverses of the elementary matrices.

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how to present this matrix as a multiplication of elementary matrices
[tex] \bigl(\begin{smallmatrix}<br /> 0 &6 &2 \\ <br /> 1& 1 &0 \\ <br /> 5&3 &1 <br /> \end{smallmatrix}\bigr)[/tex]

i can't understand in general what are they doing in this solution
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??
 
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I don't know what you mean by "I understand in general". Do you know how to "row-reduce" a matrix? Every "row-operation" corresponds to an elementary matrix: the matrix you get by performing that same row operation on the identity matrix.

There are many different ways to row-reduce any matrix but I like to start on the left and clear one column at a time. For example, I might, as the first step in row-reduction, swap the first two rows, going from
[tex]\begin{bmatrix} 0 & 6 & 2 \\ 1 & 1 & 0 \\ 5 & 3 & 1\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
to
[tex]\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 6 & 2 \\ 5 & 3 & 1\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

Which corresponds to the elementary matrix we get by swapping the first two rows in the identity matrix:
[tex]\begin{bmatrix} 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

The next thing I might do is subtract 5 times the (new) first row from the third.
[tex]\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 6 & 2 \\ 0 & -2 & 1\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
and that corresponds to the elementary matrix
[tex]\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 \\ -5 & 0 & 1\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
What we have done so far corresponds to the product of those two elementary matrices. Continue to row-reduce and write down the corresponding elementary matrix. Be careful about the order of multiplication.
 
so when multiply all the elementary matrices
i get the original one

but they multiply only the first 4??

and i can't understand what's E what F in the equations
??
 
transgalactic said:
so when multiply all the elementary matrices
i get the original one

but they multiply only the first 4??

and i can't understand what's E what F in the equations
??

There are 6 elementary matrices. I don't see where they are multiplying "only the first 4".
The "E" matrices are the elementary matrices corresponding to the row operations needed to row-reduce matrix A. The "F" matrices are their inverses (which are also elementary matrices). A is the product of the "F" matrices.
 
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i looked in a paper r and when there are operations like L1-5L2->L2
then on the elemtary matrix part
they say
L1+5L2->L2
i was told that its because they was to create elementary matrices which are invertable to itself X=X^-1
E1*E2*E3*...*A=I
so
E1^-1*E2^-1*E3^-1..*E1*E2*E3*...*A=I*E1^-1*E2^-1*E3^-1..
so
A=E1^-1*E2^-1*E3^-1..
but the inverses are the as the originals so we just need to multiply the
elementary matrices
correct??
 

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