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The first Presidential Debate on October 3rd sparked significant discussion among viewers. Observers noted that both candidates aimed to lower expectations, with Romney needing a strong performance to remain competitive. The debate topics primarily focused on the economy, health care, and government roles. Many participants expressed skepticism about the candidates' ability to effectively address key issues, particularly the economy, and questioned whether debates truly influence voter opinions. Romney was perceived as more aggressive and effective, while Obama appeared flat and defensive, failing to capitalize on opportunities to challenge Romney's statements. The debate format, which allowed for direct exchanges, was criticized for leading to a chaotic discussion that obscured substantive debate. Overall, Romney was seen as the winner, potentially shifting poll dynamics in his favor, while Obama’s performance was viewed as disappointing. The conversation concluded with a recognition of the importance of future debates, particularly the upcoming vice presidential debate.
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Use this thread for commentary on the 1st Presidential Debate. It starts at 9PM EST Oct 3rd. Please keep debate of issues to a minimum and focus on observations strictly relevant to the debate.

I'll be watching the live stream online at http://www.youtube.com/politics

Moderation will be strict. Have a nice day :)
 
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9pm tomorrow, you should clarify.
 
Greg Bernhardt said:
Please keep debate of issues to a minimum.
After all, they will.
 
Pre-debate observations:

1. Both sides are working hard to lower expectations, in order that they may easier exceed them.
2. Incumbents have an advantage in elections, but challengers have the advantage in debates since they have no record to defend. It is a double edged sword though: attack a likeable President too hard and it can backfire. So Romney needs to be ultra-respectful to the man, while slamming his policies.
3. Romney needs to knock this out of the park to have a chance in the election. Score a draw and it is all but over.
 
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Jack21222 said:
9pm tomorrow, you should clarify.

added, thanks!

Jimmy Snyder said:
After all, they will.

Times like this I do wish we had a "like" button lol


Does anyone have a list of what the six topic segments will be?
 
1. Death
2. Taxes
3. War
4. Disease
5. End of the World
6. Jimmy Snyder
2012 Presidential debate schedule.

This just in, the debate topics for tomorrow night are:
The first three segments will focus on the economy.
The last three segments will focus on "health care, the role of government, and governing."
Topics for 10/3
 
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My English professor spent a good half hour of class explaining to us why it's such a great thing that Jim Lehrer is the mediator for these debates. I might watch it if I get the chance. I am a little bit uncertain of who I really want to vote for, and I think these debates will help me. Or rather, I hope that they will help me.
 
russ_watters said:
All good questions!

I wonder if either candidate is prepared to effectively deal with the economy during the next 4 years.

Some don't think so - Analysis: Candidates' deficit plans don't add up
http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-candidates-deficit-plans-dont-add-150403612--finance.html

The are pointing fingers at each other, not offering a cogent solution
Obama, Romney take fight over economy—to LinkedIn
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-romney-fight-over-economy-linkedin-164753493--election.html

What we face in the near term - U.S. "fiscal cliff" a risk to global growth, Europe to tell G7
http://news.yahoo.com/u-fiscal-cliff-risk-global-growth-europe-tell-165148790--business.html
 
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Will this thread be open to anyone regardless of if they can vote in the US election? Or will it be based upon actual voter opinions?
 
  • #12
Greg Bernhardt said:
Open to whoever watches
Super, just was wondering if we were looking at a US response or a more liberal general response since members outside the US tend to have more liberal views.

Although it would have been interesting to see the two differing viewpoints in different threads.
 
  • #13
I watched only first 15 minutes or so. Got bored when they appeared not to be properly addressing each other arguments.
 
  • #14
I can't watch anymore. Too much spinning. Including "facts" that are unsupported.
 
  • #15
I agree with Rootx and Turbo... What exactly are people hoping to see/hear in these debates? Does anyone actually change or form an opinion based on what is said?

I sort of feel like the president could probably be spending his time doing more productive things...
 
  • #16
Gale said:
I agree with Rootx and Turbo... What exactly are people hoping to see/hear in these debates? Does anyone actually change or form an opinion based on what is said?

I sort of feel like the president could probably be spending his time doing more productive things...

The debates are for a small proportion of America that hasn't been Gerrymandered to death. For the rest of America, I don't know if it matters.
 
  • #17
I'm not even watching the debate, the season premiere of Supernatural is on, after that it's "Life After top Chef".

I already know for whom I am voting.
 
  • #18
Gale said:
I agree with Rootx and Turbo... What exactly are people hoping to see/hear in these debates? Does anyone actually change or form an opinion based on what is said?

I sort of feel like the president could probably be spending his time doing more productive things...

Heh. Pretty much. . .
 
  • #19
They both seem to want to support the 'middle class', but I'm not sure how.

They both seem to want to support education - more teachers, more training, more opportunity to go to college. But it's not clear to me how. Training for what?

Both mentioned support for small business.

I remain skeptical.

Is there another choice? :frown:
 
  • #20
Astronuc said:
They both seem to want to support the 'middle class', but I'm not sure how.

They both seem to want to support education - more teachers, more training, more opportunity to go to college. But it's not clear to me how. Training for what?

Both mentioned support for small business.

I remain skeptical.

Is there another choice? :frown:

They both seemed to be on same page but neither answered how they are going to do what they are saying. I believe neither of two answered how to deal with deficit in the first 15 minutes
 
  • #21
I am an Obama supporter, but I think Romney came out slightly ahead in this debate. The difficulty came where Obama said Romney would do x,y, and z, and Romney responded passionately that he rejects x,y and z, but Obama kept repeating "Romney will do x, y, and z."

It's quite possible that Obama is right, and Romney was being disingenuous about what he rejects, but it just came off a bit like Obama was attacking straw men.

On the other hand, I don't think Obama did terribly. I think he could have possibly been a little more aggressive against Romney, but he seemed to be (to use a football reference) playing a prevent defense. Instead of going for the sacks and interceptions, he was just trying to hold Romney to a field goal.
 
  • #22
Astronuc said:
They both seem to want to support the 'middle class', but I'm not sure how.

They both seem to want to support education - more teachers, more training, more opportunity to go to college. But it's not clear to me how. Training for what?

Both mentioned support for small business.

I remain skeptical.

Is there another choice? :frown:

On the bright side, it isn't "You're wrong."..."No, you're wrong!" But this makes me really skeptical as well, especially the both sides supporting small businesses. But lies wouldn't really be a new thing in a political debate.

But yes, there is another choice, Gary Johnson.
 
  • #23
Jack21222 said:
I am an Obama supporter, but I think Romney came out slightly ahead in this debate. The difficulty came where Obama said Romney would do x,y, and z, and Romney responded passionately that he rejects x,y and z, but Obama kept repeating "Romney will do x, y, and z."

It's quite possible that Obama is right, and Romney was being disingenuous about what he rejects, but it just came off a bit like Obama was attacking straw men.

On the other hand, I don't think Obama did terribly. I think he could have possibly been a little more aggressive against Romney, but he seemed to be (to use a football reference) playing a prevent defense. Instead of going for the sacks and interceptions, he was just trying to hold Romney to a field goal.

I don't really understand how people judge debates. The commentary after the debate said much the same as you, and added that Romney came out to win while Obama was merely trying to maintain the status quo (polls saying that he's ahead.) Thus, the one who aims to win often does win... and so Romney's aggressiveness vs Obama's more casual appearance seemed to win the day. Indeed, they even noted that Romney had a few more "zingers".

Personally, like I already said, the whole thing seems like a bit of a waste of time, especially for the president. Of course Romney was more aggressive, he has to be. Isn't it always that way against an incumbent? I'm pretty sure people expected as much BEFORE the debate, so what's the surprise?

Also, speaking of Gary Johnson, how bout the hubbub regarding him being barred from the debate? Did anyone watch his commentary? Apparently he was live on twitter and youtube...
 
  • #24
Astronuc said:
They both seem to want to support the 'middle class', but I'm not sure how.

They both seem to want to support education - more teachers, more training, more opportunity to go to college. But it's not clear to me how. Training for what?

Both mentioned support for small business.

I remain skeptical.

Is there another choice? :frown:
If you have been following what Obama is doing/has done and what Romney is saying, the differences would be fairly clear. You can't watch a few minutes of tv and know what's going on, IMO.
 
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Astronuc said:
Is there another choice? :frown:

China
 
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Okay... so I piqued my own curiosity and now I'm watching Gary Johnson's youtube video of him responding to the debate.

I have to admit, I made a lot of similar comments while I was watching... But clever quips are pretty easy to make. It would be interesting to see him in a debate I think.

Also...
Poor Big Bird! Sooo many funny stuff going around about Sesame Street now.
 
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Romney did really well in the debate. I'm proud of him! Looks like he's really improved over the course of the republican primary. Though I can't quite see how voters who haven't done their research could have based an opinion off of that debate policy wise. Not enough facts and implications of what would happen under those policies were examined (What's new?).

That being said, I definitely support Obama over Romney. But if one were to base who won the debate using the metric of who gained the most for their campaign, I would say Romney won the day.
 
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I was disappointed in the they walked all over the moderator. Obama did it several times on the time limit. Romney made it clear that he was in charge, not only running over the time limit, but actually interrupting and talking over Jim Lehrer.
 
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Well one thing is that this was a very, very good debate. Very good on substance, and the candidates were both very respectable towards one another. Romney I think did a great job in showing himself as a human being instead of the robot that he has been portrayed as. He also showed himself as passionate-seeming, compassionate, and Obama's equal intellectually.

While I don't know if I'd say Obama lost this one, he didn't dominate it. He came off rather flat. He also did not display good body language, as it looked like he smirked and also he would look down a lot when Romney was talking to him, whereas Romney would look at Obama when Obama was talking to him.

However, this was a debate about domestic issues, nothing on foreign policy. It will very interesting in the future debates to see how Romney performs on foreign policy as Obama has been president now for a term. Also, while Romney had a good debate tonight, sometimes he performs poorly in debates as well. And Obama will probably come back tougher for the next debate. Will be very fun to watch!
 
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Gale said:
I agree with Rootx and Turbo... What exactly are people hoping to see/hear in these debates? Does anyone actually change or form an opinion based on what is said?

The average person doesn't follow policy or politics much. They form their opinions based on the debates. Heavens, could you imagine the caliber of government we'd have if everyone in the country cared as much about political and policy issues as they do about football, American Idol, Jersey Shore, and so forth!

I sort of feel like the president could probably be spending his time doing more productive things...

The debates are a good thing as the President and his opponent should have to answer questions and debate with one another. The President should have to answer why he should be president for another term and the other guy should have to answer why he should be allowed to be president in the first place.
 
  • #31
I know who I'm voting for (not Romney, not Obama), but Romney clearly won, and got everything he could hope for from the debate. It will be interesting to see how the polls shift.
 
  • #32
CAC1001 said:
The average person doesn't follow policy or politics much. They form their opinions based on the debates.
Nah. Most people won't even watch the debates and have already made up their minds, very few are swayed by debates in this sort of situation. We have a known and an unpredictable unknown, IMO. Not much will have changed.
 
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Evo said:
Nah. Most people won't even watch the debates and have already made up their minds, very few are swayed by debates in this sort of situation. We have a known and an unpredictable unknown, IMO. Not much will have changed.

Perhaps (I am no expert). But I would think that with the economy the way that it is, lots of people would watch the debates in this type of situation. If the economy was doing fine and the unemployment rate was at 4%, then people overall would probably be a lot less interested. People paid attention with the Reagan-Carter debates in 1980. But we will see.
 
  • #34
It seemed like Obama thought he was just going to coast through it and didn't expect Romney to have upped his public speaking game so much. Romney came out really strong and Obama tried to just play it cool.

No new insights about their campaigns really came out of this debate. It's basically everything that's being going on in their campaigning, just face to face.
 
  • #35
Evo said:
Nah. Most people won't even watch the debates and have already made up their minds, very few are swayed by debates in this sort of situation. We have a known and an unpredictable unknown, IMO. Not much will have changed.

Not sure if you're speaking solely about elections in the USA, but if not, I have a comment. During the election a month ago here (in the Netherlands), debates really *did* matter. The socialist party held about 40 seats in parliament in the polls, with the labour party having only 15 or so, but they pretty much switched places after a debate or two. The labour party is now the second-biggest party in the Netherlands.

Of course, I'm not sure whether any of this applies to the USA. We don't have only two parties (some would say we have too many), so there generally are fewer people being totally cool about one party, and totally hating another (and thus making debates not matter). It happens, but perhaps not as much as in the USA. There's also the fact that the socialist party and the labour party switched places, of course, and those aren't *that* far apart. It would be much more strange if the people's party for freedom and democracy (a more right party... in European terms) switched with the socialist party, for example.
 
  • #36
The members of this forum are not a representative sample of the voting public at large. We like details of real plans, and we like to hear verifiable facts to support any statement made. Most folks don't need any of that.

Only two things matter. For those who watched, it matters how they felt after the debate. For the majority who did not watch, it matters how the debate is interpreted by whatever part of the media they pay attention to, be it Fox, CNN, or whatever.

And at this point, it only matters for those with an open mind who have not already decided who to vote for. I'm happy to see many like that on this forum.
 
  • #38
I wasn't feeling well last night so I went to bed soon after the debate began. I did watch long enough to hear President Obama start hemming and hawing about something and I decided that he had lost and went to bed. When I woke up, it turned out that the consensus is that he had indeed lost. I look forward to seeing what effect, if any, this has on the polls.
 
  • #39
Pkruse said:
The members of this forum are not a representative sample of the voting public at large. We like details of real plans, and we like to hear verifiable facts to support any statement made. Most folks don't need any of that.

I'm afraid your right.

Politics is more about emotions than facts.
 
  • #40
Evo said:
Nah. Most people won't even watch the debates and have already made up their minds, very few are swayed by debates in this sort of situation. We have a known and an unpredictable unknown, IMO. Not much will have changed.

Why are these debates important?
I imagine that there is a spectrum of support for each candidate. There are extremes that will vote for their choice no matter what information is presented. More toward the center of this range are people who have made up their minds but there is a possibility they could change (I suspect this group is very small). In the center are the undecided. They may lean in one direction or the other but they could be won over by either candidate. The debates are one element of the campaign that might win over the undecided. I do not believe winning or losing is the primary effect these would have on the undecided. We get an opportunity to see the candidates in the closest approximation to a real, unscripted, portrayal of what they support and who they really are. This is one factor that may influence what could be a very close election.
 
  • #41
Romney wins big in this debate. This could very well be the beginning of the turnaround for Romney. Obama was totally flat and off-balance. Even Chris "thrill up my leg" Matthews was fuming mad.

Matthews said it best. "What was Romney doing? He was winning!"
 
  • #42
I was terribly disappointed. Obama failed to deliver, and failed to tie Romney to GOP House obstructions to job creation. Romney was vacuous on details, and Obama never called him on it. Lehrer got steam-rollered, IMO, and was not a moderator, but a hapless participant. Nobody acquitted themselves well, as far as I could see.

Lots of blather, and very little debating. I had to force myself to watch the full debate this morning. I couldn't get past 30 minutes of that crap last night.
 
  • #43
From a "nuts and bolts" perspective, debates are important because at all other times, the things they say are separated by time and space, making mudslinging and misrepresentation easier than when you are face to face. In a debate, the public gets to hear/read the candidates answer the same questions and respond directly to each others' statements and accusations.

This is also part of the reason debates favor the challenger: Obama has a record to run on in addition to a vision for the future. So there are a lot more facts (pro and con) people can look at to base their decisions on and it is a lot harder to misrepresent who/what he is. For example, you don't have to wonder (nor is it even relevant anymore) what his vision for healthcare is; he got an actual law passed that people can judge without having to ask him what it means. Romney has only his claims about what he wants to do, so selling his candidacy is more about arguing hypotheticals about the future than showing facts about past performance.

A little more concise: The challenger can attack the record and the vision of the incumbent, but the incumbent can only attack the vision of the challenger.

Romney also had the added need to shift the focus of his campaign from his recent gaffes.

At the same time, Evo is right: because re-elections are mostly a referrendum on the job performance of the incumbent, more votes are decided earlier than in an election where both candidates are new (and on equal footing). This means that debates often don't matter. If the record of the incumbent is great, he'll win (the election), if it's terrible, he'll lose. So in order for the debate to matter, you need a specific set of conditions, including a muddled record resulting in a small lead for the incumbent and a challenger who wins the debate by a lot. And that's what we have. So yes, debates often don't matter, but this one matters more than any in the past several decades.

Also, one does not need to watch the debate to be affected by it. Everyone who checks today will read/hear - from virtually every news outlet - that Romney won big. Hearing someone else tell you who won (and by how much) can be as effective, if not more, than seeing it for yourself.

And how big of a win was it? According to CNN, 2/3 of respondents said Romney won, the largest percentage since they started asking the question in 1984, by a healthy margin. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/03/cnn-poll-romney-wins-debate-by-big-margin/?hpt=hp_t2

So there will almost certainly be a bounce from this. We'll have to wait and see how big it is and if it has any persistence.
 
  • #44
turbo said:
Obama failed to deliver,

It’s rough not having a Teleprompter.
 
  • #45
azdavesoul said:
It’s rough not having a Teleprompter.

:biggrin:
 
  • #46
turbo said:
Lehrer got steam-rollered, IMO, and was not a moderator, but a hapless participant.

I think the moderator did fine given the circumstances, in reality he's just there to present the questions and keep them appraised of time limits as best he can (what can he really do to enforce them after all?) I would have been far more annoyed if the moderator screamed and yelled over the two of them until they stopped talking.
 
  • #47
They need to do it like the Ig Nobels and have Little Miss Sweetie Poo repeatedly yell "please stop, I'm bored" once they go over time.
 
  • #48
I’m glad we got this cleared up. President Obama doing so poorly at the debate was not his fault, it was Romney’s. After hearing for years how everything was Bush’s fault, now we have someone new to accept blame.

http://news.yahoo.com/team-obama-fights-keep-lead-romney-shines-debate-134951176.html
 
  • #49
russ_watters said:
...

So there will almost certainly be a bounce from this. We'll have to wait and see how big it is and if it has any persistence.

Intrade swung ~11pts, from a peak of ~79:21 favoring reelection on Sept 29 to 68:32 now. Still 10 pts off the ~58:42 odds prior to the Romney fundraiser video.
 
  • #50
turbo said:
I was terribly disappointed. Obama failed to deliver, and failed to tie Romney to GOP House obstructions to job creation.

Yep

Romney was vacuous on details, and Obama never called him on it.

Yep
Lehrer got steam-rollered, IMO, and was not a moderator, but a hapless participant.

Yep

I had to force myself to watch the full debate this morning. I couldn't get past 30 minutes of that crap last night.

What a trooper.
 

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