Pressure, energy density, and power of a fluid flow

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between static pressure, energy density, and the power of a fluid flow. The hyperphysics article is incorrect in stating that gas pressure must be approached differently from liquid pressure. The Bernoulli equation only applies to ideal gases, not liquids. The conversation also mentions the calculation of power and the incorporation of kinetic energy per unit volume. The correct formula for power in a fluid flow is P x Q, which already takes into account the velocity of the fluid. The Bernoulli equation is an energy balance equation that considers pressure energy, kinetic energy, and gravitational potential energy.
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I've read that you can view static pressure of a fluid as energy density, which makes sense to me. I've also seen that the power of a fluid flow can be calculated by multiplying the pressure by the volumetric flow rate. However, doesn't a flow also have kinetic energy? How can you calculate the power delivered by a fluid flow without incorporating the kinetic energy per unit volume? Why isn't Power= (P+ density*v^2/2)*Q

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/press.html

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The hyperphysics article is wrong on two important things. First, it says

When you deal with the pressure of a liquid at rest, the medium is treated as a continuous distribution of matter. But when you deal with a gas pressure, it must be approached as an average pressure from molecular collisions with the walls.

This is not true, in normal conditions gases (air) are fluids and can be described by the same kind of continuous distribution of matter. Only when the gas gets very rare this breaks down and the ballistic description is necessary.

Pressure in a fluid can be seen to be a measure of energy per unit volume by means of the definition of work. This energy is related to other forms of fluid energy by the Bernoulli equation.

This is true only for ideal gas; the pressure P is proportional to kinetic energy of molecules per unit volume. In liquids, this is no longer true. The pressure is not proportional to total energy of liquid per unit volume.

This can be easily seen if we ask how much work need to be done to produce great pressure, says 10 bar, in water. Since the water is almost incompressible, the required work is very small. Hence the energy of pressurized water is almost the same as the energy under low pressure; the increase of pressure does not mean the energy increases as well. They are separate quantities.
 
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dan28029 said:
I've read that you can view static pressure of a fluid as energy density, which makes sense to me. I've also seen that the power of a fluid flow can be calculated by multiplying the pressure by the volumetric flow rate. However, doesn't a flow also have kinetic energy? How can you calculate the power delivered by a fluid flow without incorporating the kinetic energy per unit volume? Why isn't Power= (P+ density*v^2/2)*Q

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/press.html

Thanks!

Pressure x volumetric flow rate , P x Q = Power
doesn't the volumetric flow rate already incorporate the velocity of the fluid? ( you have to say yes )

Force x velocity = power

just divide pressure and Q by the area ( you should get Force x velocity )

just remember, Bernoulli is an energy balance from one point to another point of the fluid flow.

If the energy density is described as that per unit weight

then you have pressure energy + kinetic energy + gravitational potential energy = constant.
 

1. What is pressure in the context of fluid flow?

Pressure is the force exerted by a fluid per unit area. In the context of fluid flow, it is typically measured in units of Pascals (Pa) or pounds per square inch (psi). Pressure is a key factor in determining the behavior and characteristics of fluid flow.

2. How is energy density related to fluid flow?

Energy density refers to the amount of energy contained in a given volume of fluid. In the context of fluid flow, energy density is important because it affects the speed and strength of the flow. Higher energy density means a greater amount of potential energy available to do work, resulting in faster and more powerful fluid flow.

3. What factors affect the pressure of a fluid flow?

The pressure of a fluid flow is affected by factors such as the velocity of the flow, the density of the fluid, and the cross-sectional area through which the flow is passing. Changes in any of these factors can result in changes in pressure.

4. How is power calculated in a fluid flow?

Power in a fluid flow is the rate at which work is done, or energy is transferred. It can be calculated by multiplying the force exerted by the fluid by the velocity of the flow. Power is measured in units of Watts (W) or horsepower (hp).

5. What is the relationship between pressure, energy density, and power in a fluid flow?

In general, as pressure increases, so does energy density and power. This is because higher pressure means more force is being exerted by the fluid, resulting in more energy being transferred and a higher rate of work being done. However, other factors such as velocity and cross-sectional area also play a role in determining the overall behavior and characteristics of fluid flow.

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