Using the approximation, explain why the second derivative test works.

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The discussion revolves around understanding the second derivative test for functions of two variables, specifically how the approximation of a function at a point relates to this test. Participants are exploring the implications of using small changes in variables (delta x and delta y) in the context of local minima, maxima, and saddle points.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between the approximation of a function and the second derivative test. Questions arise regarding the nature of the test and the conditions under which it applies. Some participants express confusion about how the approximation leads to conclusions about local extrema.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the definitions and conditions of the second derivative test. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for specificity in the conditions being tested, but no consensus has been reached on the explanation of how the test works.

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There is a noted ambiguity in the problem statement regarding what specific aspects of the second derivative test are being examined. Participants are also grappling with the mathematical language and precision required to articulate their understanding.

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1. Homework Statement [/
Using the approximation, explain why the second derivative test works

approximation=f(x0+delta x, y0+delta y)

delta x and delta y are small...


Homework Equations



f(x0+delta x,y0+delta y)

The Attempt at a Solution



ok so i know the first derivative of it is:

fx(x0+y0)*delta x+fy(x0+y0)*delta y

and second derivative is:

fxx(x0,y0)*delta x^2+fxy(x0,y0)*delta x*delta y+fyy(x0,y0)*delta y^2

it justs seems like since delta x and delta y are getting smaller,that everything will be going towards 0...so why does it work?
 
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What is the problem as written?

f appears to be a function of two variables. What is the second derivative test for a function of two variables?
 
Using the approximation, explain why the second derivative works. Give three exam-
ples for each scenario of the second derivative test.

isnt that what the approximation is? the f(x+delta x,y +delta y)?

its asking about finding local mins,local max and saddle points...now i can show those examples,but how can i explain how it works?its like a proof or something
 
jumboopizza said:
1. Homework Statement [/
Using the approximation, explain why the second derivative test works

approximation=f(x0+delta x, y0+delta y)

delta x and delta y are small...


Homework Equations



f(x0+delta x,y0+delta y)

The Attempt at a Solution



ok so i know the first derivative of it is:

fx(x0+y0)*delta x+fy(x0+y0)*delta y

and second derivative is:

fxx(x0,y0)*delta x^2+fxy(x0,y0)*delta x*delta y+fyy(x0,y0)*delta y^2

it justs seems like since delta x and delta y are getting smaller,that everything will be going towards 0...so why does it work?

Homework Statement




Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



You don't say what you are testing for. If you mean the second-order test for a maximum or minimum, you still need to be more specific: the necessary conditions and the (most common) sufficient conditions are a bit different. You need to tell us which ones you want.

RGV
 
Mathematical language is very exacting. You need to say what you mean & mean what you say.

f(x0+Δx, y0+Δy) is the (exact) value of the function, f, at the point (x0+Δx, y0+Δy).

If the first derivatives of f are zero at the point, (x0, y0), then the following is an approximation to f at the point (x0+Δx, y0+Δy).

f(x0+Δx, y0+Δy) ≈ f(x0, y0) + (1/2)[ fxx(x0, y0)(Δx)2 +2 fxy(x0, y0)(Δx)(Δy) + fyy(x0, y0)(Δy)2 ]
 

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