Probability of creation of virtual particles

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The discussion revolves around the concept of virtual particles in the vacuum, specifically questioning whether all known particles can be created as virtual particles, the probabilities associated with their creation, and the factors influencing these probabilities, such as mass and energy requirements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if all known particles can be created as virtual particles and whether certain particles, like electrons, are more likely to be produced than others, such as photons or quarks.
  • There is a suggestion that the probability of a particle being created as a virtual particle may be tied to its mass.
  • The complexity of particles like protons and neutrons is raised, with a question about whether their probability of appearing as virtual particles is dependent on the simultaneous creation of their constituent quarks and gluons.
  • Another participant asserts that virtual particles are not real and questions the validity of discussing probabilities related to them.
  • One participant references articles discussing experiments that involve energy conversion to create particles, indicating that different particles require varying amounts of energy for creation.
  • There is a mention of photon emission from a rapidly oscillating mirror, with a distinction made that virtual particles are not necessary to describe this phenomenon.
  • The potential to create particle pairs, such as electron/positron or proton/antiproton pairs, through strong oscillation is noted, but with the caveat that such conditions would be extreme.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of virtual particles, with some questioning their existence and relevance, while others explore the implications of their properties and probabilities. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of probabilities associated with virtual particles.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of virtual particles and the assumptions underlying the probabilities mentioned. The relationship between energy requirements and particle creation is also not fully explored.

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Is it correct to assume that all known particles may be created as virtual particles in the vacuum? If so, is there a higher probability of a particular particle being produced than say some other particle type. For example, is an electron more likely to be created as a virtual particle than a photon or a quark? Or is the probability of all particles equal? If there is a bias as to the probability of one particle over another, is it tied to it's mass? In cases of complex particles such as a proton or neutron, not being a fundamental particle, (being made of quarks and gluons,) is its probability of appearing as a virtual particle tied to the individual probabilities of all its constituent particles simultaneously being created at the same place at the same time? And in the case of photons, as the wavelength of the photon gets shorter and shorter (or longer and longer), does its probability diminish? Or are all wavelengths of photons equally probable in the vacuum. Sorry there are so many questions here but they are all inter-related.
 
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Virtual particles are not real. You cannot "create" them, you cannot count them, and it doesn't make sense to talk about probabilities for that.
 
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A rapidly oscillating mirror can emit light. You don't need any virtual particles to describe that, although some aspects are easier to calculate if you use them as model. It is simply photon emission by the mirror, and the oscillation of the mirror loses a tiny bit of energy. Add some bad pop-science and you get the description in the article.
BernieM said:
But then they also state that other particles could be made with a lot more energy being required.
With "electron mirrors" or "proton mirrors" you could potentially create electron/positron or proton/antiproton pairs - but the required oscillation would be so strong that would rip apart everything.
 
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