Probability of Removing and not Removing

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probabilities of removing and not removing a yellow marble from a jar containing five differently colored marbles. Initially, incorrect probabilities of 4/5 for both scenarios were proposed, leading to confusion. A correct understanding emerged that the probability of the yellow marble being removed is 1/5, while the probability of it not being removed is 4/5, based on the total outcomes of drawing one marble. The conversation highlighted the importance of systematically approaching probability problems by defining the sample space and considering the outcomes. Ultimately, the discussion emphasized the need to extend this understanding to more complex scenarios, such as drawing multiple marbles.
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Homework Statement


A jar has 5 marbles, 1 of each of the colors red, white, blue, green and yellow. If 4 marbles are removed from the jar, what is the probability (i) that the yellow one was removed? (i) that the yellow one was not removed?

Homework Equations



probability = favorable outcomes/total outcomes

The Attempt at a Solution


i) 4/5
ii) 4/5

One answer not correct. Some body please guide me.

Zulfi.
 
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You'll have to give more details about how you arrived at those solutions.
 
zak100 said:

Homework Statement


A jar has 5 marbles, 1 of each of the colors red, white, blue, green and yellow. If 4 marbles are removed from the jar, what is the probability (i) that the yellow one was removed? (i) that the yellow one was not removed?

Homework Equations



probability = favorable outcomes/total outcomes

The Attempt at a Solution


i) 4/5
ii) 4/5

One answer not correct. Some body please guide me.

Zulfi.

Which answer is correct?
 
Hi,
Thanks for your response.

probability = favorable outcomes/total outcomes

I think the total outcomes is 4 because at a time we are picking 4 marbles.Now the probability that it is removed is 1/4, because out of 4 only 1 would be the yellow.
And the probability that it is not removed is: 4/4 because it is possible that out of 4 none of them is yellow.

Answer is not correct so please guide me.

Zulfi.
 
zak100 said:
Hi,
Thanks for your response.

probability = favorable outcomes/total outcomes

I think the total outcomes is 4 because at a time we are picking 4 marbles.Now the probability that it is removed is 1/4, because out of 4 only 1 would be the yellow.
And the probability that it is not removed is: 4/4 because it is possible that out of 4 none of them is yellow.

Answer is not correct so please guide me.

Zulfi.

What you wrote above is WRONG. If you had a removal event with probability 1/4, the probability of the non-removal event would have to be 3/4 (because two events {removal} and {non-removal} are mutually exclusive and "exhaustive"---- meaning that together they give all the possibilities and so have probabilities that sum to 1).

Anyway, the 1/4 is also wrong.

You need to think more carefully about what you are doing. You should always approach such problems systematically, until you are a lot more experienced. So, the steps you should always follow are:
(1) describe the "sample space" of the experiment---which is the set of all possible outcomes;
(2) assign probabilities to the individual outcomes in the sample space;
(3) obtain the probability of an event of interest by adding together all the individual-outcome probabilities for those outcomes that belong to your event.

For example, when you draw 4 items from 5 differently-colored items you can have a sample-space consisting of all 4-letter strings of the form ABCD, where A is one of the five colors (R,W,G,B,Y), B is another one of the five colors, etc. You may then be interested in the event NY = {no Y} = {no yellow}; this consists of all the 4-letter strings having no letter Y. So, if you assume that all the 4-letter strings are equally likely then you can say that
$$P\{ \text{no yellow}\} = \frac{\text{ number strings not containing Y}}{\text{total number of strings}}\; \hspace{2mm} (1)$$

Have you computed the numerator and denominator of the fraction in (1)?
 
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I think the total outcomes is 4 because at a time we are picking 4 marbles.
If you were only picking one marble, would there be only one possible outcome?
 
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Hi,
Thanks. God bless you. I am able to understand the concept.
If you were only picking one marble, would there be only one possible outcome?
No. There would be five possible outcomes. It means i can get any of the 5 marbles. So there are altogether 5 total outcomes.

i)that the yellow one was removed?

Probability of removing yellow would be 1/5 because there is only one yellow marble.

(i) that the yellow one was not removed?

Probability of not removing yellow would be 4/5 because there are 4 non- yellow marbles.

Zulfi.
 
zak100 said:
Hi,
Thanks. God bless you. I am able to understand the concept.
No. There would be five possible outcomes. It means i can get any of the 5 marbles. So there are altogether 5 total outcomes.

i)that the yellow one was removed?

Probability of removing yellow would be 1/5 because there is only one yellow marble.

(i) that the yellow one was not removed?

Probability of not removing yellow would be 4/5 because there are 4 non- yellow marbles.

Zulfi.
Yes.
 
zak100 said:
Hi,
Thanks. God bless you. I am able to understand the concept.
No. There would be five possible outcomes. It means i can get any of the 5 marbles. So there are altogether 5 total outcomes.

i)that the yellow one was removed?

Probability of removing yellow would be 1/5 because there is only one yellow marble.

(i) that the yellow one was not removed?

Probability of not removing yellow would be 4/5 because there are 4 non- yellow marbles.

Zulfi.

Yes, that is the solution for drawing one marble.

Now you need to extend it to drawing four marbles (without replacement).

However, to get a grasp of the more complicated problem I suggest you go next to the case of drawing two marbles, and leave the 4-marble case for later. (Eventually you will need to deal with the 4-marble case, but you can "sneak up on" the final problem by dealing first with simpler versions.)
 
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