Probability: sampling without replacement

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The problem involves calculating the probability of drawing balls of different colors from a container without replacement. Specifically, there are 30 red, 30 white, and 30 blue balls, and the question focuses on the likelihood that at least one color will not be selected when drawing 10 balls.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various methods for calculating probabilities, including the product of probabilities for individual colors not being selected. There is also mention of the need to account for order and double counting in the selections.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing different approaches and calculations. Some have provided hints and partial solutions, while others are questioning the validity of certain methods and assumptions, particularly regarding the impact of order and double counting.

Contextual Notes

Participants are exploring the implications of sampling without replacement and the complexities that arise from the requirement to consider multiple colors. There is an emphasis on understanding the problem rather than reaching a definitive solution.

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Homework Statement


there are 30 red balls, 30 white balls, and 30 blue balls in a container. you draw 10 of them, without replacement. what is the probability that at least one color won't be selected.


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i've been working on this one for too long. someone gave me a solution, but after i thought about it i realized it didn't work if you don't replace. the best solution i could come up with is the following:
for the total number of possibilities, since i can draw 90 for my first, 89 for my second and so on, i have 90!/80! ways of drawing balls.
for the number which exclude one color, i have 90*89 (and here i have to reduce the pool by 30 so those don't get selected)*58*57*...51.
but then someone pointed out that order doesn't matter, and i wasn't sure if there was something i could multiply this number by to make order irrelevant.

as always, I'm looking for hints more than a solution. also, variations on this problem would be cool too. I'm here to learn, people!
 
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The probability that the first ball selected is NOT red is 60/90. The probability the second ball is not red is then 59/89, the probability that the third ball is not red is 58/88, etc. until the probability that the tenth ball selected is not red is 51/81. The probability that a red ball is not selected in 10 tries is the product of those.

Do the same with the probability that the balls selected are not white and then blue. The probability that, in 10 tries, one of the colors will not be selected is the sum of those.
 
so (60/90 * 59/89 * ... *51/81) * 3 = .0395. does that sound right?
 
You have to additionally get rid of the double counts that occur, for example, when you pick ten reds in a row. That's going to show up in both the "no white" and "no blue" categories.
 

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