Problem reducing quadratic to diagonal form

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The discussion revolves around reducing the expression ##xy + zy## to diagonal form, a topic within the subject area of quadratic forms in linear algebra. Participants are exploring methods to achieve this transformation while adhering to the requirement of maintaining linear independence among the functions involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants have attempted various substitutions and methods, including using hints related to expressing the product ##xy## in terms of squares. Some have noted issues with linear dependence among the resulting functions. There is also mention of a matrix method that one participant is not familiar with.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing hints and exploring different approaches. There is recognition of the challenges faced in maintaining linear independence among the functions, and some participants are questioning the effectiveness of the hints provided. A suggestion to redefine variables has been made, indicating a potential direction for further exploration.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the types of assistance they can provide. There is also a sense of frustration expressed regarding the complexity of what appears to be a straightforward problem.

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Homework Statement


Reduce ##xy+zy## to diagonal form.

Homework Equations


The desired diagonal form is ##Q(\vec{x})=(\alpha_1(\vec{x}))^2+...+(\alpha_k(\vec{x}))^2-(\alpha_{k+1}(\vec{x}))^2-...-(\alpha_{k+l}(\vec{x}))^2,## where ##\alpha_i## are linearly independent linear functions. Also known as 'changing the variables in quadratic form'.

The Attempt at a Solution


##xy+zy=y^2+yx+yz+(\frac{x}{2})^2+\frac{xz}{2}+(\frac{z}{2})^2-((\frac{x}{2})^2+\frac{xz}{2}+(\frac{z}{2})^2)-y^2=(y+\frac{x}{2}+\frac{z}{2})^2+(\frac{x}{2}+\frac{z}{2})^2-y^2##, but now
##\alpha_1=y+\frac{x}{2}+\frac{z}{2}##
##\alpha_2=\frac{x}{2}+\frac{z}{2}##
##\alpha_3=y##
are linearly dependent. I have tried several different substitutions without success. There's also the matrix method which I am not familiar with. This rather simple problem is giving me headache.
 
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hint
$$xy=\left(\frac{x}{2}+\frac{y}{2}\right)^2-\left(\frac{x}{2}-\frac{y}{2}\right)^2$$
 
lurflurf said:
hint
$$xy=\left(\frac{x}{2}+\frac{y}{2}\right)^2-\left(\frac{x}{2}-\frac{y}{2}\right)^2$$
Using that lead to situation where the ##\alpha##'s weren't linearly independent.
 
sorry try
$$\left( \frac{x}{2} \pm \frac{y}{\sqrt{2}}+\frac{z}{2} \right)^2$$
As the two
 
lep11 said:

Homework Statement


Reduce ##xy+zy## to diagonal form.

Homework Equations


The desired diagonal form is ##Q(\vec{x})=(\alpha_1(\vec{x}))^2+...+(\alpha_k(\vec{x}))^2-(\alpha_{k+1}(\vec{x}))^2-...-(\alpha_{k+l}(\vec{x}))^2,## where ##\alpha_i## are linearly independent linear functions. Also known as 'changing the variables in quadratic form'.

The Attempt at a Solution


##xy+zy=y^2+yx+yz+(\frac{x}{2})^2+\frac{xz}{2}+(\frac{z}{2})^2-((\frac{x}{2})^2+\frac{xz}{2}+(\frac{z}{2})^2)-y^2=(y+\frac{x}{2}+\frac{z}{2})^2+(\frac{x}{2}+\frac{z}{2})^2-y^2##, but now
##\alpha_1=y+\frac{x}{2}+\frac{z}{2}##
##\alpha_2=\frac{x}{2}+\frac{z}{2}##
##\alpha_3=y##
are linearly dependent. I have tried several different substitutions without success. There's also the matrix method which I am not familiar with. This rather simple problem is giving me headache.

What happens if you set u= x + z so that Q = uy? Doesn't the identity in post #2 then work?
 

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