Problem Solving with Probability

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The discussion focuses on calculating the arrangements of letters in the word "BOOKKEEPER." The correct formula for part (a) is clarified as 10! divided by the factorials of the counts of each letter, leading to 151200 arrangements. For part (b), the calculation for selecting at most 3 letters is confirmed to be 30, while part (c) is identified as incorrect due to yielding a decimal, which is not valid for counting arrangements. The participants emphasize the importance of recognizing indistinguishable letters and correcting previous errors in their calculations. The conversation concludes with a consensus on the need for careful application of combinatorial principles.
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Hi, I just need people to check my work.
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a) Determine the number of ways to arrange the letters in the word BOOKKEEPER.
I did \frac{10!}{2!2!3!}
which is 151200.

b) Determine the number of ways to arrange the letters in the word BOOKKEEPER if you select at most 3.
I did \frac{10P_3}{2!2!3!}
which is 30.


c) Determine the number of ways to arrange the letters in the word BOOKKEEPER if you select only 5.
I did \frac{10C_5}{2!2!3!}
which is 10.5.
I know c) can't be a decimel.
 
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for part a),
How many distinct letters make up the word BOOKEEPER?
What is the repetition number of each letter?
 
You have the following letters:

1 B
2 Os
1 K
3 Es
1 R

So you can rearrange the Os and the Es. There are Two ways to rearrange the Os and Six ways to rearrange the Es. and 2 * 6 is 12. Is that not right?

Do you have to spell Bookeeper or can they be in any order?
 
There are 6 distinct letters make up the word BOOKEEPER and the repetition number of each letter are lised below.
B O K E P R
1 2 1 3 1 1

I don't see how this helps me answer the question though.

EDIT:Oh, I made a mistake there, I don't know why I had another 2!. I just edited my work, is it alright now?

Thanks :)
 
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how did you come up with 10! in the numerator?

(how many letters are in the word BOOKEEPER ?)
 
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TheCavortr said:
You have the following letters:

1 B
2 Os
1 K
3 Es
1 R

So you can rearrange the Os and the Es. There are Two ways to rearrange the Os and Six ways to rearrange the Es. and 2 * 6 is 12. Is that not right?

Do you have to spell Bookeeper or can they be in any order?
The question asks to count the number of distinct arrangments of the word BOOKEEPER.
So for example one such arrangement is OEBEPKORE and another is ROOKEEPEB.
Notice if we swap the positions of the O's in the last example we obtain the same arrangement as before. This is because the O's are considered indestinguishable, we can not tell one O from the other. Same thing with the E's.
 
Oh, the reason why I had 10! and another 2! was because it was suppose to spell BOOKKEEPER with 2 K's. I was addled with the lettering of the word.

EDIT:
I just changed it, is c) correct?
 
Raza said:
Oh, the reason why I had 10! and another 2! was because it was suppose to spell BOOKKEEPER with 2 K's. I was addled with the lettering of the word.

EDIT:
I just changed it, is c) correct?
Ok, adding that extra K makes your original answer to part (a) correct. As its written now though, you forgot to edit back in the extra factor of 2! in the denominator. Obviously I didn't know how to spell BOOKKEEPER either :biggrin:

I would do (c) first, and then use similar methods to solve (b).

Obviously, as you stated, part (c) is incorrect as the answer can not be rational.
suppose we want to calculate the number of arrangements of BOOKE, then using the methods from part (a), we get that this equals,
\frac{5!}{2!} = 60

now let's do the same for BOOEE, we get
\frac{5!}{2!2!} = 30

To get all possible arrangements of size 5 from the word BOOKKEEPER, we must perform this calculation for each of the possible ways of selecting 5 letters from BOOKKEEPER, and add our results. Also keep in mind that BOOKE (selecting the first K and third E), is the same as BOOKE (selecting the second K and first E) because the K's and E's are indestinguishable.
 
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