News Progress in Afghanistan: What's Next After 6 Years of War?

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The discussion highlights the complexities of the situation in Afghanistan, emphasizing the need for a coherent strategic plan to secure democracy and stability. Significant progress is noted, including economic growth, improved healthcare access, and increased educational enrollment. However, challenges persist, particularly regarding the Taliban's influence and the geopolitical dynamics involving NATO and neighboring countries. The historical context of U.S. involvement, including past support for the mujahedin, is examined, raising questions about the long-term consequences of such actions. Overall, while there are signs of progress, the path to lasting success in Afghanistan remains uncertain.
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U.S. Study Is Said to Warn of Crisis in Afghanistan
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/world/asia/09afghan.html
WASHINGTON — A draft report by American intelligence agencies concludes that Afghanistan is in a “downward spiral” and casts serious doubt on the ability of the Afghan government to stem the rise in the Taliban’s influence there, according to American officials familiar with the document.

The classified report finds that the breakdown in central authority in Afghanistan has been accelerated by rampant corruption within the government of President Hamid Karzai and by an increase in violence by militants who have launched increasingly sophisticated attacks from havens in Pakistan.

The report, a nearly completed version of a National Intelligence Estimate, is set to be finished after the November elections and will be the most comprehensive American assessment in years on the situation in Afghanistan. Its conclusions represent a harsh verdict on decision-making in the Bush administration, which in the months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks made Afghanistan the central focus of a global campaign against terrorism.

Beyond the cross-border attacks launched by militants in neighboring Pakistan, the intelligence report asserts that many of Afghanistan’s most vexing problems are of the country’s own making, the officials said.

The report cites gains in the building of Afghanistan’s national army, the officials said. But they said it also laid out in stark terms what it described as the destabilizing impact of the booming heroin trade, which by some estimates accounts for 50 percent of Afghanistan’s economy.

The Bush administration has initiated a major review of its Afghanistan policy and has decided to send additional troops to the country. The downward slide in the security situation in Afghanistan has also become an issue in the presidential campaign, along with questions about whether the White House emphasis in recent years on the war in Iraq has been misplaced.

Henry A. Crumpton, a career C.I.A. officer who last year stepped down as the State Department’s top counterterrorism official, attributed some of Afghanistan’s problems to a “lack of leadership” both at the White House and in European capitals where commitments to rebuild Afghanistan after 2001 have never been met.

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Ummm - I think progress is headed in the wrong direction. :rolleyes:
 
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http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200806/world-in-numbers"

Hope Through Better Highways?

Heavy fighting continues in isolated valleys, particularly in the Korengal Valley, where road building is under way. But a road through the Pech Valley, now complete, has provided the kind of economic and security boost that U.S. officers say they anticipated. Senator Joseph Biden, who visited Kunar province in February, told the Associated Press, “How do you spell hope in Dari and Pashtu? A-S-P-H-A-L-T.”

Bombs Away

U.S. commanders in Kunar province say that the number of roadside bomb attacks has been cut by more than half over the past year, in part because of road improvements—mines are more difficult to conceal on asphalt roads than on dirt ones. Overall, confirmed deaths of NATO and coalition forces in Kunar have dropped, from about 30 in 2006 to 10 or so in 2007, and to just one during the first three months of this year.

This is an article back in June, 2008. I thought it offered a point of view not many of us have heard.
 
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A good program that was going on was the Alternative Livelihoods Program / Eradicating Drugs by USAid/Dept of State.

http://www.state.gov/p/sca/rls/fs/2005/52396.htm
The program principally targets core poppy-producing areas in southern (Helmand and Kandahar Provinces), eastern (Nangarhar and Laghman Provinces) and northern (Badakhshan Province) Afghanistan, but will include activities in other provinces where poppy cultivation is expanding or where there has been a concerted effort to eliminate narcotics production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmand_Province
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badakhshan_Province
 
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The best summary of the current status in Afghanistan was in a BBC report I read the other day where the reporter said the total extent of the Afghan gov'ts influence is the distance of one rifle shot from the fortified walls of Kabul.
 
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http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/david_d_mckiernan/index.html

David D. McKiernan, the American four-star general who led the allied ground forces during the invasion of Iraq in 2003, became the NATO commander in Afghanistan as of June 2008. As head of the International Security Assistance Force, he is the military leader in charge of the allied war effort in Afghanistan against increasingly deadly and aggressive attacks by Taliban and Al Qaeda militants, many of whom are based in western Pakistan.

General McKiernan was never a favorite of former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. In the months before the Iraq war, he pressed to begin the war with a greater number of troops than authorized in the plan he had inherited. After the invasion he was made the deputy head of the Army's Forces Command, which oversees the training of American troops in the United States. In 2005, he was awarded a fourth star and made the head of American Army troops in Europe.

General Says He’s Hopeful About Taliban War
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/world/asia/13afghan.html

Perhaps. I think the US can win all the battles, but unless there is a stable and non-corrupt government to lead the country, it would seem the victory(ies) would be in vain. My greatest concern and objection is the killing of non-combatants - women and children. I don't expect the Taliban to be concerned about that, but I do think that US and NATO forces should go the extra step not to kill civilians - that means no firing into villages or compounds unless one is sure that no women and children are present.
 
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Astronuc said:
Perhaps. I think the US can win all the battles, but unless there is a stable and non-corrupt government to lead the country, it would seem the victory(ies) would be in vain. My greatest concern and objection is the killing of non-combatants - women and children. I don't expect the Taliban to be concerned about that, but I do think that US and NATO forces should go the extra step not to kill civilians - that means no firing into villages or compounds unless one is sure that no women and children are present.
But that's impossible. These people deliberately hide among civilians for protection.
 
  • #58
Evo said:
But that's impossible. These people deliberately hide among civilians for protection.

I think civilians hide them. If you go on killing civilians, what you expect from those normal people?

I think US cannot eliminate the Afghanistan people who don't like US.
 
  • #59
Evo said:
But that's impossible. These people deliberately hide among civilians for protection.
It's difficult but not impossible. The Taliban and sympathizers simply live in their homes and neighborhoods/villages when they are not out fighting the Afghan government and US/NATO forces. It's their country. The US/NATO are propping up a government in what is eseentially a civil war that spans two countries.

If one calls in an AC-130, one is going to kill civilians. The US and NATO forces need to be smarter.

Meanwhile Pakistan and Afghanistan go hand in hand because the Pahstuns (e.g. Waziri) straddle the border.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtun

Intelligence report: U.S. antiterror ally Pakistan 'on the edge'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081014/wl_mcclatchy/3072503
WASHINGTON — A growing al Qaida -backed insurgency, combined with the Pakistani army's reluctance to launch an all-out crackdown, political infighting and energy and food shortages are plunging America's key ally in the war on terror deeper into turmoil and violence, says a soon-to-be completed U.S. intelligence assessment.

A U.S. official who participated in drafting the top secret National Intelligence Estimate said it portrays the situation in Pakistan as "very bad." Another official called the draft "very bleak," and said it describes Pakistan as being "on the edge."

The first official summarized the estimate's conclusions about the state of Pakistan as: "no money, no energy, no government."

Six U.S. officials who helped draft or are aware of the document's findings confirmed them to McClatchy on the condition of anonymity because NIEs are top secret and are restricted to the president, senior officials and members of Congress . An NIE's conclusions reflect the consensus of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies.

The NIE on Pakistan , along with others being prepared on Afghanistan and Iraq , will underpin a "strategic assessment" of the situation that Army Gen. David Petraeus , who's about to take command of all U.S. forces in the region, has requested. The aim of the assessment — seven years after the U.S. sent troops into Afghanistan — is to determine whether a U.S. presence in the region can be effective and if so what U.S. strategy should be.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081017/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan
Official: Afghans probing 17 civilian deaths
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan – Afghan authorities are investigating the deaths of at least 17 civilians during a clash between NATO forces and militants in southern Afghanistan, an official said Friday.

Villagers and a senior police official claimed Thursday that a NATO airstrike killed the civilians, including women and children, in Nad Ali district of the Helmand province.

The NATO-led force in Afghanistan confirmed that it carried out an airstrike in the area on Thursday — but not that it resulted in any civilian casualties.

NATO spokesman Capt. Mark Windsor said Friday the force was seeking more information and declined further comment.

Daud Ahmadi, spokesman for Helmand's governor, said Friday that authorities were investigating whether the airstrike or "insurgent action" caused the collapse of the house in which the civilians died.

Angry villagers brought more than a dozen corpses — including the badly mangled bodies of women and children — to the governor's house in the town of Lashkar Gah on Thursday, said Haji Adnan Khan, a tribal leader who had seen the bodies.

Nad Ali, about 6 miles from Lashkar Gah, has been a scene of heavy fighting between insurgents and Afghan and foreign troops. Militants control much of the area around the village.
Maybe some militants are angry with the US/EU (or some hate America and Europe) because invaders (US and EU/NATO military) kill their women and children, or parents, or siblings or other family members, or friends. Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan have not invaded or threatened the US, although Saddam Hussein threated the US/Israel with retaliation if attacked.

The hijackers who attacked the WTC and Pentagon on Sept 11, were from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates (now headquarters for Halliburton), Egypt and Lebanon.

Osama bin Laden (al Qaida) is from Saudi Arabia and Ayman al-Zawahiri is Egyptian. One connection with Pakistan would be Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who was born in Kuwait to parents from Baluchistan (Pakistan).
 
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At this point I have absolutely no clue what the mission is in Afghanistan.

What are the US and other NATO forces trying to achieve?

If their role is to provide security and stability then they are failing miserably and indeed are the main causes of the lack of security and instability.

By supporting what were the murdering war lords of the former Northern Alliance they have helped drug dealing, corrupt criminals to take power and are expending huge resources in men and material to keep them there at a cost of alienating an entire generation of people.

Why?
 
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Astronuc said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081017/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan
Official: Afghans probing 17 civilian deaths
Maybe some militants are angry with the US/EU (or some hate America and Europe) because invaders (US and EU/NATO military) kill their women and children, or parents, or siblings or other family members, or friends. Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan have not invaded or threatened the US, although Saddam Hussein threated the US/Israel with retaliation if attacked.

The hijackers who attacked the WTC and Pentagon on Sept 11, were from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates (now headquarters for Halliburton), Egypt and Lebanon.

Osama bin Laden (al Qaida) is from Saudi Arabia and Ayman al-Zawahiri is Egyptian. One connection with Pakistan would be Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who was born in Kuwait to parents from Baluchistan (Pakistan).

So you're saying the Taliban government in Afghanistan was right to deny the US permission to attack al-Qaida in their country since all of the al-Qaida in their country were foreigners?!

That's going back to the old cop out where terrorists can attack as they please because as long as the government of whatever country they reside in didn't actually make the attack, therefore the US can't respond.

Art said:
At this point I have absolutely no clue what the mission is in Afghanistan.

What are the US and other NATO forces trying to achieve?

If their role is to provide security and stability then they are failing miserably and indeed are the main causes of the lack of security and instability.

By supporting what were the murdering war lords of the former Northern Alliance they have helped drug dealing, corrupt criminals to take power and are expending huge resources in men and material to keep them there at a cost of alienating an entire generation of people.

Why?

Goes back to that politically correct idea that the US can't go into a country, accomplish what they needed to do, then leave the country in the same shambles it was in before they invaded. We need to somehow make the country a better place than it was before we attacked.

That's just not always realistic and Afghanistan is one of those instances.

I don't think that necessarily means we shoud leave. The US still hasn't accomplished what it set out to do. Doing that raises the possibility of an even bigger mess.

US and Pakistani forces have had minor skirmishes with each other over the last month. I think the skirmishes will continue for a while and could get worse.

That raises an interesting possibility. We could have combat, complete with casualties, with another nuclear armed country. That would be a new world first.

We could also have combat where both the US and the enemy forces were being funded by the US taxpayer. Then again, most of the US aid goes to beefing up Pakistan's forces along their border with India rather than to their forces along the Afghanistan border, so maybe we're not funding enemy forces so much.

I'm not sure how the US should have handled Pakistan immediately after the Afghanistan invasion, but the way we did handle them hasn't worked.
 
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  • #63
BobG said:
So you're saying the Taliban government in Afghanistan was right to deny the US permission to attack al-Qaida in their country since all of the al-Qaida in their country were foreigners?!
I didn't say that. It's quite complicated and there is not simple answer.

Al Qaida and their Taliban sympathizers who are planning attacks against US, Pakistan and Afghan governments and innocent people are legitimate targets (at least according to internationals standards).

If one reads the reports from Robert Fisk (The Independent, UK), he mentions the situation with the people in the border region whose villages were bombed or shelled by US forces. Most are not Taliban, but some members in the villages may be Taliban. Non-combatants, including women and children, are killed. I have a big problem with that!

The first interaction some of these people have with the outside world is American/NATO military attacking their villages.


Paraphrasing an old proverb - One evil deed (or misdeed) undermines 1000 good deeds.


I think there is a better way, and I'm working on it. :smile:
 
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Pakistan and Afghanistan go hand in hand. Both countries share tribes and a common history.

Pakistan is in deep trouble economically.

Pakistan reported nearing default, to seek IMF help
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- After failing to get help from China, Pakistan may need to turn to the International Monetary Fund -- a politically unpopular move -- for cash to bolster its economy and avoid defaulting on its debt obligations, according to news reports Sunday.

The country, perceived as one of the world's riskiest borrowers, may need as much as $6 billion to boost its foreign-currency reserves, which fell more than 74% in the past year to about $4.3 billion, according to a Bloomberg News report.

The next interest payment for Pakistan on its dollar-denominated bonds is due in December, and the government is scheduled to repay $500 million in February on a 6.75% note, the report said.

Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari returned from China late Friday failing to secure a cash commitment from its neighbor, the New York Times reported.

China had been seen as a last resort before Pakistan turns to the IMF, the Times report said. Saudi Arabia, another of the country's traditional ally, refused earlier to offer concessions on oil, it said.
Pakistan and IMF must step carefully.
 
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Afghan journalism student sentenced to 20 years
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081021/ap_on_re_as/as_afghan_journalist_trial
KABUL, Afghanistan – An Afghan appeals court overturned a death sentence Tuesday for a journalism student accused of blasphemy for asking questions in class about women's rights under Islam. But the judges still sentenced him to 20 years in prison.

The case against 24-year-old Parwez Kambakhsh, whose brother has angered Afghan warlords with his own writings, has come to symbolize Afghanistan's slide toward an ultraconservative view on religious and individual freedoms.

"I don't accept the court's decision," Kambakhsh told The Associated Press as he was leaving the courtroom. "It is an unfair decision."

The case can be appealed to the Supreme Court, the highest court in Afghanistan.

John Dempsey, a U.S. lawyer working for six years to reform the Afghan justice system, said Kambakhsh has yet to get a fair trial.
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Besides the accusation that Kambakhsh disrupted class with his questions, prosecutors also said he illegally distributed an article he printed off the Internet that asks why Islam does not modernize to give women equal rights. He also allegedly wrote his own comments on the paper.

In January, a lower court sentenced him to death in a trial critics have called flawed in part because Kambakhsh had no lawyer representing him. Muslim clerics welcomed that court's decision and public demonstrations were held against the journalism student because of perceptions he had violated the tenets of Islam.
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Disrupting class should not result in the death penalty. Distributing literature that asks "why Islam does not modernize to give women equal rights" should not result in a death penalty. This is not a democratic system, but rather it is an oligarchy.

The apparent goal in Afghanistan is to preclude a haven for al Qaida. Aside from that, the Bush administration seems less concerned about democracy.
 
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  • #66
Yet more civilians killed by 'accident'

Air raid 'kills Afghan civilians'

At least five Afghan civilians have been killed in an air strike by international forces in the north-west, local officials say.

They say at least 13 insurgents also died in the raid, after they attacked Afghan and international troops in Ghormach district in Badghis province.

United States-led forces have said they are checking the reports.

On Wednesday President Hamid Karzai condemned a US air strike which killed 40 people at a wedding in the south.

The raid was aimed at the Taleban in the province of Kandahar.

Mr Karzai called on Barack Obama to prevent civilian casualties when he take over as US president.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7713065.stm

Given the lack of impact of numerous previous condemnations of attacks leading to civilian deaths it seems until a military commander is actually held responsible for one of these atrocities it is likely they will continue unabated.

Even if the military top brass care nothing for civilian casualties they must realize these reckless attacks are the perfect recruiting sergeant for anti-western forces.
 
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Attackers in Afghanistan have sprayed acid in the faces of at least 15 girls near a school in Kandahar, police say.

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Correspondents say the attack is likely to have been carried out by those opposed to the education of women.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7724505.stm

These attacks on women/girls, which happen in similar fashion elsewhere as well, I never understand. It only proves how weak those guys are where they become concerned about females actually accomplishing something with their lives. Geez, talk about insecurities!
 
  • #68
A good article from the Independent drawing parallels between the situation in Afghanistan today and the past.

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Kabul 30 years ago, and Kabul today. Have we learned nothing?

At night, the thump of American Sikorsky helicopters and the whisper of high-altitude F-18s invade my room. The United States of America is settling George Bush's scores with the "terrorists" trying to overthrow Hamid Karzai's corrupt government.

Now rewind almost 29 years, and I am on the balcony of the Intercontinental Hotel on the other side of this great, cold, fuggy city. Impeccable staff, frozen Polish beer in the bar, secret policemen in the front lobby, Russian troops parked in the forecourt. The Bala Hissar fort glimmers through the smoke. The kites – green seems a favourite colour – move beyond the trees. At night, the thump of Hind choppers and the whisper of high-altitude MiGs invade my room. The Soviet Union is settling Leonid Brezhnev's scores with the "terrorists" trying to overthrow Barbrak Karmal's corrupt government.

Thirty miles north, all those years ago, a Soviet general told us of the imminent victory over the "terrorists" in the mountains, imperialist "remnants" – the phrase Kabul communist radio always used – who were being supported by America and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Fast forward to 2001 – just seven years ago – and an American general told us of the imminent victory over the "terrorists" in the mountains, the all but conquered Taliban who were being supported by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The Russian was pontificating at the big Soviet airbase at Bagram. The American general was pontificating at the big US airbase at Bagram.

This is not déjà-vu. This is déjà double-vu. And it gets worse.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/kabul-30-years-ago-and-kabul-today-have-we-learned-nothing-1029920.html
 
  • #69
Ideally, Afghanistan would become calmer, democratic and more favorably disposed to the US and other countries, however -

Inexplicable Wealth of Afghan Elite Sows Bitterness
In One of the World's Poorest Nations, Myriad Tales of Official Corruption
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/11/AR2009011102038.html

KABUL, Jan. 11 -- Across the street from the Evening in Paris wedding hall, a monument to opulence surrounded by neon-lighted fountains and a five-story replica of the Eiffel Tower, is a little colony of tents where 65 families, mostly returnees from Pakistan, huddle against the winter cold and wish they had never come home.

Similar startling contrasts abound across the Afghan capital. Children with pinched faces beg near the mansions of a tiny elite enriched by foreign aid and official corruption. Hundreds of tattered men gather at dawn outside a glittering new office building to compete for 50-cent jobs hauling construction debris.

"I am a farmer with 11 children. Our crops dried up, so I came to the city to find work, but all day I stand here in the cold and no one hires me," said Abdul Ghani, 47. "All the jobs and money go to those who have relatives in power, and corruption is everywhere. How else could they build these big houses? Nobody cares about the poor," he added bitterly. "They just make fun of us."

Seven years after the fall of the Taliban and the establishment of a civilian-led, internationally backed government, Afghanistan remains one of the poorest countries in the world, with rates of unemployment, illiteracy, infant mortality and malnutrition on a par with the most impoverished nations in sub-Saharan Africa. Most homes lack light, heat and running water; most babies are born at home and without medical help.

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Something's got to change - and ASAP.
 
  • #70
This is why I was concerned about Obama's declaration that he wanted to focus on Afghanistan and "kill Osama bin Laden."
The place is a wreck and more military action to try ferreting out a man who may already be dead is not going to fix anything.
I hope he has some good ideas and doesn't really intend to continue America's 9/11 vendetta.
 
  • #71
Interesting perspective on Afghanistan.

What Are We Doing in Afghanistan?
http://www.slate.com/id/2210624
We're still figuring that out.
By Fred Kaplan

Not long ago, Afghanistan was known as "the good war." Now some are calling it "Obama's Vietnam." Both tags exaggerate. . . .

Unlike those who got us into Vietnam, today's top officials—including President Barack Obama and Defense Secretary Robert Gates—at least see the specter. Both have emphasized that their goals in Afghanistan are limited; daydreams of turning the place into a democratic republic—"some central Asian Valhalla," as Gates snorted in recent hearings—are over. Gates further stated at those hearings, before the Senate armed services committee, that he would endorse his commanders' request for three additional brigades—but that he'd be "deeply skeptical" of subsequent requests for more. The fighting needs to be done mainly by Afghan troops, he said, adding that if the Afghan people begin to see it as an American war, "we will go the way of other imperial occupiers."

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On a side note - Kyrgyzstan says U.S. air base decision is final
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090206/ts_nm/us_kyrgyzstan_usa_base_28
BISHKEK (Reuters) – Kyrgyzstan said on Friday its decision to shut a U.S. air base was final, dealing a blow to Washington's efforts to retain what has been an important staging post for U.S. forces fighting in Afghanistan.

The United States said it was still "engaged" with Kyrgyzstan about keeping the Manas base in the poor, former Soviet republic and traditional Russian ally. But one senior Kyrgyz official said no talks were currently taking place.

Kyrgyzstan's stance has set a tough challenge for new U.S. President Barack Obama, who plans to send more troops to Afghanistan to try to boost NATO efforts to defeat Taliban and al Qaeda insurgents.

The standoff over the tiny but strategically placed nation marks a new twist in an escalating power struggle in Central Asia reminiscent of the 19th-century "Great Game" between tsarist Russia and the British Empire.

"The air base's fate has been decided," Adakhan Madumarov, Secretary of the Kyrgyz Security Council, told reporters.

"I see no reason why the air base should remain in place now that this decision has been taken ... We are not holding any talks on this," he added, hinting there will be no further discussions with Washington on the air base.

Kyrgyz President Kurmanbek Bakiyev announced the closure of the base this week after securing more than $2 billion in financial aid and credit from Russia at talks in Moscow.

The announcement left the United States scrambling to find alternative supply routes through other parts of Central Asia for shipments bound for landlocked Afghanistan.

Speaking in Tajikistan, another ex-Soviet republic in Central Asia, the U.S. envoy to Dushanbe said Tajikistan had agreed to offer its air space for transport of non-military NATO supplies to Afghanistan.

A Western diplomatic source told Reuters separately on Thursday the United States was close to a deal with Uzbekistan that would also allow Washington to open a new railway supply route for its troops in Afghanistan.
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RUSSIAN POSITION

Russia, irked by the U.S. military presence in Kyrgyzstan which it regards as part of its strategic sphere of interest, has long exerted pressure on the landlocked and mountainous Central Asian country to evict the U.S. forces.

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The Russians have offered to allow US transit of 'non-lethal' aid, e.g. food and supplies, and medical evacuations. I'm sure they are pleased to accept the money.

Uzbekistan has had a somewhat repressive government. All of the Central Asian countries are relatively poor, and their trade is hampered by powerful or unstable neighbors - not to mention corruption.

As someone correctly pointed out, both Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan (in fact all the stans) have had governments, which are problematic with respect to observing basic human and civil rights.
 
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  • #72
Astronuc said:
Uzbekistan has had a somewhat repressive government.
No it isn't, it's a haven of peace and light in the region - a central asian Switzerland.
The British foreign office fired their ambassador for criticizing it.
Of course now we don't need t's airstrip, and we aren't torturing suspects there - opinions might be change.
 
  • #73
Analysis: US base falls victim to Kyrgyz crisis
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090206/ap_on_re_as/as_kyrgyzstan_us_base_analysis
Kyrgyzstan may have felt it had no choice in expelling the U.S. from a base vital to the war in Afghanistan.

Months of crippling electricity shortages, soaring food prices and rampant unemployment have caused misery for much of the population. A reinvigorated opposition has threatened to stage nationwide protests against President Kurmanbek Bakiyev.

Against that backdrop, Russia pledged to help raise $1.7 billion for a much-needed hydropower plant and issue a $300 million low-interest 40-year loan repayable over a 40-year period. Moscow also agreed to give $150 million in aid and cancel an outstanding $190 million debt.

But Russia has also made clear its objections to the Manas air base, saying it was only supposed to remain for two years after the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.
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Kyrgyzstan, a largely Muslim, mountainous former Soviet nation on China's western frontier, has long been viewed as a relative oasis of democracy in a region that boasts some of the world's most repressive dictatorships. But observers believe Bakiyev, who himself came to power in 2005 as the result of a nominally pro-Western popular uprising, is on a drive to strengthen his grip on power.

New York-based democracy watchdog organization Freedom House noted in its latest country report on Kyrgyzstan that democratic rights and press freedoms have steadily worsened over the last year.
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Let's see what Bakiyev and his administration do in the near term.
 
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Obama's biggest foreign policy challenge? It's Pakistan
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090207/wl_mcclatchy/3162640

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — A nearly completed U.S. military study is expected to say that nuclear-armed Pakistan , not Iraq , Afghanistan or Iran , is the most urgent foreign policy challenge facing President Barack Obama .

Pakistan , convulsed by a growing al Qaida -backed insurgency, hamstrung by a ruinous economy and run by an unpopular government that's paralyzed by infighting and indecision, is critical to U.S. efforts to stabilize Afghanistan , thwart the spread of nuclear weapons and prevent tensions with neighboring India from escalating into a nuclear showdown.

The U.S. Central Command review is assessing the situation in the Middle East and South Asia as the Obama administration plans to draw down U.S. forces in Iraq and double the 30,000-strong American military presence in Afghanistan , several people involved in the study told McClatchy . They spoke on condition of anonymity because the study is still underway and they weren't authorized to discuss it publicly.

The assessment, they said, is expected to recommend major changes in the U.S. approach to the volatile region, including major increases in U.S. aid to Pakistan in areas such as public education, health care and good governance, in a bid to stem the poverty and illiteracy that help fuel the country's Islamic insurgency.

Stepped up non-military aid also could ease popular anger at the government and its chief ally, the United States , which many Pakistanis accuse of stoking the insurgency by relying primarily on military offensives and missile strikes that have claimed numerous civilian lives, the officials said.
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The Pakistani Taliban control most of the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan and have seized Swat, a valley 100 miles from Islamabad . Electricity and food shortages have sparked unrest and stalled industrial production, and the stock market has dropped more than 60 percent while the Pakistani rupee has fallen 30 percent against the dollar in the last year.

Meanwhile, the coalition government led by President Asif Ali Zardari, mired in infighting and incompetence, has failed to unite around a strategy to contain the crisis, and some U.S. and Pakistani experts warn that there's a growing danger that Pakistan could have its fifth military coup since it won its independence from Britain in 1947.
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Well it seems that Afghanistan and NW Pakistan are the immediate and long-term challenges, in addition to the ME, and parts of Africa, and perhaps parts of S. America.
 
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This is the real problem in Pakistan...not just for the US...but the entire world.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/pakistan/nuke/index.html

To really understand the importance, I think everyone needs to look closely at a map of the area...India and China to the East, the Middle East to the West...Russia to the North...and a border with Iran.

Predator drones have long been the safest and least offensive (to the population) way to "work" in the area...however, a troop build-up in Afghanistan will undoubtedly create new challenges to diplomacy.
 
  • #76
Afghan [Karzai] Leader Finds Himself Hero No More
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/08/world/asia/08karzai.html

KABUL, Afghanistan — A foretaste of what would be in store for President Hamid Karzai after the election of a new American administration came last February, when Joseph R. Biden Jr., then a senator, sat down to a formal dinner at the palace during a visit here.

Between platters of lamb and rice, Mr. Biden and two other American senators questioned Mr. Karzai about corruption in his government, which, by many estimates, is among the worst in the world. Mr. Karzai assured Mr. Biden and the other senators that there was no corruption at all and that, in any case, it was not his fault.

The senators gaped in astonishment. After 45 minutes, Mr. Biden threw down his napkin and stood up.

“This dinner is over,” Mr. Biden announced, according to one of the people in the room at the time. And the three senators walked out, long before the appointed time.

Today, of course, Mr. Biden is the vice president.

The world has changed for Mr. Karzai, and for Afghanistan, too. A White House favorite — a celebrity in flowing cape and dark gray fez — in each of the seven years that he has led this country since the fall of the Taliban, Mr. Karzai now finds himself not so favored at all. Not by Washington, and not by his own.

In the White House, President Obama said he regarded Mr. Karzai as unreliable and ineffective. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said he presided over a “narco-state.” The Americans making Afghan policy, worried that the war is being lost, are vowing to bypass Mr. Karzai and deal directly with the governors in the countryside.

At home, Mr. Karzai faces a widening insurgency and a population that blames him for the manifest lack of economic progress and the corrupt officials that seem to stand at every doorway of his government. His face, which once adorned the walls of tea shops across the country, is today much less visible.

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Pity that this situation dragged on as long as it did. I'm pleased to see that the Obama administration is addressing the problem of the opium trade in Afghanistan.
 
  • #77
Astronuc said:
Afghan [Karzai] Leader Finds Himself Hero No More
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/08/world/asia/08karzai.html

Pity that this situation dragged on as long as it did. I'm pleased to see that the Obama administration is addressing the problem of the opium trade in Afghanistan.
The problem the West has in Afghanistan is there are no 'good' guys to support. Karzai is seen as the best of a bad bunch and so he currently is feted by the West.

Under the Taleban there was no opium trade so why not allow them back into power providing they break all links with international Islamic extremists with the threat of tactical bombing if they misbehave. They would probably be too busy fighting their old tribal wars to be too much of an international problem anyway.

Maybe in a couple of hundred years ordinary Afghanis will be ready to embrace Western ideology but for now it seems an utterly fruitless exercise to attempt to force it upon them, if they prefer to be locked in the past so be it, let them.

It is becoming more and more difficult to discern what exactly is the mission in Afghanistan??
 
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Art said:
The problem the West has in Afghanistan is there are no 'good' guys to support. Karzai is seen as the best of a bad bunch and so he currently is feted by the West.

Under the Taleban there was no opium trade so why not allow them back into power providing they break all links with international Islamic extremists with the threat of tactical bombing if they misbehave. They would probably be too busy fighting their old tribal wars to be too much of an international problem anyway.

Maybe in a couple of hundred years ordinary Afghanis will be ready to embrace Western ideology but for now it seems an utterly fruitless exercise to attempt to force it upon them, if they prefer to be locked in the past so be it, let them.

It is becoming more and more difficult to discern what exactly is the mission in Afghanistan??

Are you sure there was no opium trade...or was it less apparent?
 
  • #79
Astronuc said:
Afghan [Karzai] Leader Finds Himself Hero No More
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/08/world/asia/08karzai.html

Pity that this situation dragged on as long as it did. I'm pleased to see that the Obama administration is addressing the problem of the opium trade in Afghanistan.

getting rid of the poppies may be a strategic mistake. opium keeps the muslims in western china funded, and therefore makes it harder for the chinese government to establish a strong presence in the region.

although afghanistan is resource-poor, it's in a strategic position as far as caspian sea pipelines are concerned. i don't think Obama will find bin Laden, either. we can't afford to. if we did, people would expect us to leave.
 
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Art said:
...Under the Taleban there was no opium trade so why not allow them back into power providing they break all links with international Islamic extremists with the threat of tactical bombing if they misbehave. They would probably be too busy fighting their old tribal wars to be too much of an international problem anyway.

Maybe in a couple of hundred years ordinary Afghanis will be ready to embrace Western ideology but for now it seems an utterly fruitless exercise to attempt to force it upon them, if they prefer to be locked in the past so be it, let them.

It is becoming more and more difficult to discern what exactly is the mission in Afghanistan??
If your position is that it's tolerable to have the Taliban return and behave as they did before, which clearly means treating all females as cattle, chopping off all the hands of the opium producers, and executing all dissenters; then why the concern about some tragic civilian deaths in a military operation here:
Art said:
Yet more civilians killed by 'accident'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7713065.stm
Given the lack of impact of numerous previous condemnations of attacks leading to civilian deaths it seems until a military commander is actually held responsible for one of these atrocities it is likely they will continue unabated.

Even if the military top brass care nothing for civilian casualties they must realize these reckless attacks are the perfect recruiting sergeant for anti-western forces.
 
  • #81
Proton Soup said:
although afghanistan is resource-poor, it's in a strategic position as far as caspian sea pipelines are concerned. i don't think Obama will find bin Laden, either. we can't afford to. if we did, people would expect us to leave.
Afghanistan is poor in some resources, particularly energy, education and infrastructure, but the country sits astride huge deposits of metals, as does Baluchistan province in Pakistan, the nations of Iran and Turkey, and many parts of East Africa.

To process the ores, one needs technology and energy, which is sorely lacking in most of those nations. Iran has energy supplies and Turkey has technology.


The Taliban were reactionary and taking Afghanistan backward. They were a problem for the west, particularly the US, since they harbored al Qaida.
 
  • #82
mheslep said:
If your position is that it's tolerable to have the Taliban return and behave as they did before, which clearly means treating all females as cattle, chopping off all the hands of the opium producers, and executing all dissenters; then why the concern about some tragic civilian deaths in a military operation here:
Afghanis can ill-treat each other as much as they like. If the general populace don't approve they won't put up with it. The sad fact is they like their ancient customs and practices. It may seem barbaric to us in the West but you don't exactly see ordinary Afghanis rushing out to welcome the NATO liberators for saving them from barbarism. Apart from the opium growers and the corrupt officials of course.

Regarding your specific question I have two problems with NATO forces killing civilians. First we are supposed to be better than that, both morally and militarily and secondly it creates resentment and hatred for the West which translates into violence against Western countries. Seeing as how our excuse for being there is to curb terrorism these mistakes seem to be in direct conflict with the mission. Killing one terrorist whilst you create 10 more doesn't seem to me like a winning strategy. Nor does protecting opium growers from the Taleban so they will 'like' us.
 
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Art said:
Afghanis can ill-treat each other as much as they like. If the general populace don't approve they won't put up with it. The sad fact is they like their ancient customs and practices. It may seem barbaric to us in the West but you don't exactly see ordinary Afghanis rushing out to welcome the NATO liberators for saving them from barbarism.
Actually, one will see many ordinary Aghanis who are happy to have the presence of Americans and westerners, but they dare not show that appreciation publicly lest they be target for retaliation.

A big problem is that the US and Nato forces cannot be everywhere, all the time, and especially at night. When US and Nato forces return to their bases, and the Taliban and al-Qaida sympathizers show up and kill whomever showed support for the US, Nato or the Afghan government (similar problem in Iraq). The vast majority of Afghanis are caught between the warring factions.

In the 1970's Afghanistan had a economy bifurcated between a rural, largely subsistence economy and an urban economy largely dependent on a state that in turn drew most of its income from the international state system and market. Agriculture and pastoralism accounted for more than 60 percent of GDP, and about 85 percent of the population depended on the rural economy for its livelihood.
Ref: Afganistan by Angelo Rasanayagam

That's still much the case, except for the increased US aid, too much of which has gone to corrupt officials. And some Afghanis, like some in Pakistan, go to the Gulf States for work and send remittances home to support family.

Some Afghanis are certainly angry or weary of US and Nato, particularly after US and Nato forces have bombed villages and killed many civilians (women and children).
 
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Art said:
Afghanis can ill-treat each other as much as they like. If the general populace don't approve they won't put up with it. The sad fact is they like their ancient customs and practices. It may seem barbaric to us in the West but you don't exactly see ordinary Afghanis rushing out to welcome the NATO liberators for saving them from barbarism. Apart from the opium growers and the corrupt officials of course.
Though certainly no people relish the presence of foreign troops on their soil, the recent information I have from friends stationed over there is the opposite: generally locals are eager to point out to NATO troops infiltrating international fighters from Pakistan or the Middle East so that NATO can dispatch them. Visibly the Northern Alliance people were more than happy to join with NATO in the initial over throw of the Taliban. In any case I generally reject the view that the current problems there are all rooted in intractable ancient customs, or that the Taliban represents the general populace. Much of Afghani society was destroyed by the Soviets in the 80's, then the remaining rubble of society was bounced and pulverized into a finer dust by ~seven years under the Taliban. (More on the http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1573181.stm" later, time permitting.). And a better comparison for the Taliban than the populace at large would be a (Pakistani backed) Klu Klux Klan, which happily was opposed by force when necessary.

Art said:
Regarding your specific question I have two problems with NATO forces killing civilians. First we are supposed to be better than that, both morally and militarily and secondly it creates resentment and hatred for the West which translates into violence against Western countries. Seeing as how our excuse for being there is to curb terrorism these mistakes seem to be in direct conflict with the mission. Killing one terrorist whilst you create 10 more doesn't seem to me like a winning strategy. Nor does protecting opium growers from the Taleban so they will 'like' us.
Fair enough, but I've not seen the evidence that the situation is quantitatively that bad, or if indeed it is that it is likely to stay that way or worsen, especially given the demonstrated know how of Gen. Petraeus on this 'hearts and minds' topic in Iraq, though if the irretrievably lost case is made I agree, withdraw. The evidence of this would have to be pretty good, since the alternative posited above: withdraw "providing they break all links with international Islamic extremists with the threat of tactical bombing if they misbehave" must be a much less secure policy; AQ already faced tactical bombing before 9/11 (Sudan '98, etc) to little effect; bombing in general without eyes&boots on the ground is less effective tactically and more tragic for innocents.
 
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Whooops! - Thousands of US weapons astray in Afghanistan: auditors
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090212/pl_afp/usafghanistanmilitarypoliticscongress
WASHINGTON (AFP) – Thousands of US weapons, including assault rifles and grenade launchers, may be in Taliban or Al-Qaeda hands in Afghanistan because of lax controls, congressional auditors warned on Thursday.

The Pentagon has failed to track an estimated 87,000 weapons given to Afghan security forces, one-third of the 242,000 shipped by the US government between December 2004 and June 2008, the Government Accountability Office said.

A 46-page report by the GAO, the non-partisan investigative arm of Congress, said there had been no monitoring of a further 135,000 weapons donated by NATO allies to the poorly paid and corruption-rife Afghan army and police.

Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman said the Pentagon had already taken action on the report's recommendations for tracking of serial numbers and physical inventories of weapons given by both the United States and allies.
. . . .
Not exactly the progress we need.
 
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  • #86
Maybe Senator Patrick Leahy should go over and investigate.
 
  • #87
Why don’t you look at this generally …… countries that US have claimed that they involve or associate with terrorism….Afghanistan … Iran… Iraq... Syria… Lebanon… Palestine ….doesn’t that form a belt what are they really looking for ? or are they waiting to do something and create causes to fill the gaps between those countries and form a perfect belt.. then reveal their real goals??
 
  • #88
I think you forgot Saudi Arabia
 
  • #89
Most sources I have read indicated that Afghanistan has no or few natural resources. My assumption from that information now appears to be wrong.

JALREZ VALLEY, Afghanistan — In this Taliban stronghold in the mountains south of Kabul, the U.S. Army is providing the security that will enable China to exploit one of the world's largest unexploited deposits of copper, earn tens of billions of dollars and feed its voracious appetite for raw materials.

U.S. troops set up bases last month along a dirt track that a Chinese firm is paving as part of a $3 billion project to gain access to the Aynak copper reserves. Some troops made camp outside a compound built for the Chinese road crews, who are about to return from winter break. American forces also have expanded their presence in neighboring Logar province, where the Aynak deposit is.

The U.S. deployment wasn't intended to protect the Chinese investment — the largest in Afghanistan's history — but to strangle Taliban infiltration into the capital of Kabul. But if the mission provides the security that a project to revive Afghanistan's economy needs, the synergy will be welcome.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_11863389?source=rss

Edit: OK let's add some oil.

The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that Afghanistan also has more than 1.5 billion barrels of oil — almost untapped since soldiers of Alexander the Great discovered pools of oil in the north more than 2,000 years ago — and 15 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/fromcomments/283335.php
 
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There are developed gas fields in Baluchistan, which is the Pakistani province on the southern border of Afghanistan.

Eastern Afghanistan sits astride the Tethyan Metallogenic Belt, which travel across the middle of Turkey, Iran, Baluchistan, and turns up into Afghanistan from Kandahar through Kabul, then turns east through the Wakhan corridor and N. Pakistan and over to Tibet.

The area is relatively rich in copper, gold and other heavy metals.

http://www.bgs.ac.uk/afghanminerals/docs/afghan_supp_final.pdf

BHP Billiton has a big copper development in Baluchistan.
 
  • #91
In Tactical Shift, Troops Will Stay and Hold Ground in Afghanistan
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/world/asia/03afghan.html

. . . “This is not simply to remove Taliban influence, but to replace that influence with security operations and reconstruction,” the officer said. “It is not simply about killing the enemy, but about protecting the population and improving their lives, which will help prohibit the return of insurgent elements.”
. . . .
Finally the Surge comes to Afghanistan, but something like this should have been done 20 years ago - then probably by the UN, or some multi-national force.

Meanwhile -

U.S. Faces Resentment in Afghan Region
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/world/asia/03helmand.html
Villagers in some districts have taken up arms against foreign troops to protect their homes or in anger after losing relatives in airstrikes, several community representatives interviewed said. Others have been moved to join the insurgents out of poverty or simply because the Taliban’s influence is so pervasive here.

On Thursday morning, 4,000 American Marines began a major offensive to try to take back the region from the strongest Taliban insurgency in the country. The Marines are part of a larger deployment of additional troops being ordered by the new American commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, to concentrate not just on killing Taliban fighters but on protecting the population.
. . . .
I hope McChrystal's strategy is successful.
 
  • #92
In Tactical Shift, Troops Will Stay and Hold Ground in Afghanistan

For the members of Taliban , they will not fight the American Troops because Taliban doesn't have army. What will the members of Taliban do ?
Most of them will return to stay with their families , after some time they will start attack the American Troops ( attack and retreat ) . How many years will the American Troops stay in Afghanistan !?
For Russia , china , North Korea and Iran , these countries want American Troops to stay in Afghanistan forever !
The Troops will not solve the problem of Afghanistan.
 
  • #93
Code:
Russia said Friday it will allow the United States to ship weapons across its territory to Afghanistan

[PLAIN]http://buzz.yahoo.com
[/PLAIN]

The question is why does Russia want to help America!?
 
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mohd_adam said:
Code:
Russia said Friday it will allow the United States to ship weapons across its territory to Afghanistan

[PLAIN]http://buzz.yahoo.com
[/PLAIN]

The question is why does Russia want to help America!?
Russia wants to help itself. Russia does not want a radical Islamic state on its border.
 
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  • #95
There are a number of NGOs operating in Afghanistan.

Here is one such group - http://www.arghand.org/

Arghand was founded in May 2005, by Sarah Chayes, a former National Public Radio reporter who stayed behind in Afghanistan to help rebuild the war-torn country. She and a handful of loyal and daring Kandaharis decided to explore a notion for how to add value to celebrated local fruit crops, long the fame of the region. Given the explosion in international demand for fine natural skin-care products, and the abundance of their raw materials in the orchards of southern Afghanistan – almonds, apricots, pomegranates, the precious blossoms of Rosa damascena – Arghand members decided to try to carve out a place for Afghanistan in this young market.
. . . .
Arghand’s long-term objective is to contribute to the process of weaning southern Afghanistan off of its dependence on the opium poppy. This scourge is distorting the region’s economy, criminalizing its politics, and putting its people at the mercy of armed gangs and so-called insurgents. . . . .
NGOs are generally funded by private donations, not by governments.
 
  • #96
http://www.cnas.org/afghanistan

Afghanistan has long had an outsized role in world affairs, first from an excess of interest, but now from an excess of neglect. The 1979 Soviet invasion launched the last major war of the 20th century, undoing the USSR and ushering in more than two decades of occupation, civil war, and Taliban rule for Afghanistan. On September 11, 2001, the first major war of the 21st century began, with Afghanistan again at its center.

Six years on, Western promises and Afghan hopes are at great risk. Donor fatigue and strategic confusion afflict the governments and populations of many NATO contributors. Violence in the country is increasing, governance is fragile, and economic development is too slow to provide compelling alternatives to warlordism and the drug trade. There is widespread concern that Afghanistan’s 2009 national elections cannot be held if such conditions persist.

Afghanistan, however, is a long way from lost. The CNAS Afghanistan Project starts from the premise that Afghanistan can either become an anchor in the region and a counterweight to uncertainty, or it can accelerate the forces of fragmentation that imperil vital American and allied interests and regional stability. The next American administration—regardless of political party—will have a window of opportunity within which to adopt “breakthrough ideas” in Afghanistan that can set the right course for regional and global security.

. . . .
CNAS is an important group to watch.
 
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mohd_adam said:
How many years will the American Troops stay in Afghanistan !?
Two months ago 2 British soldiers were killed by terrorists in Northern Ireland as they were leaving for Afghanistan.
Britain achieved military victory in Ireland in 1652, President Bush declared military victory in Afghanistan in 2004 - so you only have another 352 years to go!
 
  • #98
Karzai Using Rift With U.S. to Gain Favor With Afghans
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/29/world/asia/29prexy.html

. . . .
But now, as reports mount of widespread fraud in the balloting, including allegations that supporters of the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, illegally stuffed ballot boxes in the south and ripped up ballots cast for his opponents, Mr. Obama’s early praise may soon come back to haunt him.

Afghanistan’s Electoral Complaints Commission said Friday that it had received more than 2,000 complaints of fraud or abuse in last week’s election. Mr. Karzai’s biggest rival, Abdullah Abdullah, showed reporters video of a local election chief in one polling station stuffing ballot boxes himself.

. . . .
With friends like this . . . . :rolleyes:

Meanwhile -

Army Farmers Work to Regrow Afghanistan
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/08/army-farmers-work-to-regrow-afghanistan/
DASHT ROBAT, Afghanistan — U.S. assistance to Afghanistan often arrives in the form of cash, disbursed to local contractors through the Commander’s Emergency Response Program. But it also comes in the form of fertilizer spreaders, pesticide sprayers, shovels and rakes — and Midwestern common sense.

Perhaps nothing exemplifies the “Peace Corps with guns” approach to Afghanistan more than the U.S. Army’s Agribusiness Development Teams, or ADTs. As part of a relatively new experiment, Army National Guard volunteers from agricultural states have deployed here to train and advise Afghan farmers and agricultural officials on modern farming techniques and business practices. The first teams, fielded last year, were from Missouri and Texas; others have followed from places like Tennessee, Kansas and Indiana.

I recently spent time with the Nebraska National Guard’s ADT, which covers a sizeable chunk of north-central Afghanistan: Parwan, Kapisa, Bamiyan and Panjshir provinces. All of the team members, except one, are non-commissioned officers; in civilian life, they all work in agriculture or agribusiness. It’s an approach that seems to make sense: Military commanders can throw millions of dollars at their problems through reconstruction funding, but most are not trained development officers or engineers. All too often, money is poured into schools that can’t afford teachers, clinics that don’t have doctors, or roads that won’t be maintained.
Go Army!

http://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/other/ARNG_Agribusiness_Development_Team.html
 
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Remembering Freed Reporter's Slain Afghan Aide
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112685212

'New York Times' Reporter Freed In Afghan Raid
by The Associated Press
September 9, 2009
British commandos freed a New York Times reporter early Wednesday from Taliban captors who kidnapped him over the weekend in northern Afghanistan, but one of the commandos and a Times translator were killed in the rescue, officials said.

Reporter Stephen Farrell was taken hostage along with his translator in the northern province of Kunduz on Saturday. German commanders had ordered U.S. jets to drop bombs on two hijacked fuel tankers, causing a number of civilian casualties, and reporters traveled to the area to cover the story.
. . . .
The Times reported that Farrell's Afghan translator, Sultan Munadi, 34, also was killed. Farrell was unhurt.
. . . .
Munadi was first employed by The New York Times in 2002, according to his colleagues. He left the company a few years later to work for a local radio station.

He left Afghanistan last year to study for a master's degree in Germany. He came back to Kabul last month for a holiday and to see his family, and agreed to accompany Farrell to Kunduz on a freelance basis. He was married and had two young sons.

In a New York Times Web blog this month, Munadi wrote that he would never leave Afghanistan permanently and that "being a journalist is not enough; it will not solve the problems of Afghanistan. I want to work for the education of the country, because the majority of people are illiterate."

"And if I leave this country, if other people like me leave this country, who will come to Afghanistan?" he wrote. "Will it be the Taliban who come to govern this country? That is why I want to come back, even if it means cleaning the streets of Kabul. That would be a better job for me, rather than working, for example, in a restaurant in Germany."

Munadi's commentary on Afghanistan
http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/02/hell-no-i-wont-go/

Afghan Reporter Recalled as a Man of Many Abilities
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/world/asia/10munadi.html

RIP Sultan :frown:
 
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Astronuc said:
RIP Sultan :frown:
Thanks for that Astronuc
 

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