Projected Capacitance Touchscreen, confused by how the capacitance is formed.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the functioning of projected capacitance touchscreens, specifically focusing on the physical properties of the human finger that enable interaction with the screen compared to other conductive objects, such as a penny. Participants explore the underlying principles of capacitance and electrostatic fields in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the specific physical property of their finger that allows the touchscreen to register input, noting that a penny does not work in the same way.
  • Another participant suggests that the finger is earthed, allowing for a potential difference that the screen can sense.
  • A follow-up inquiry raises the idea that the body may act as a larger conductor compared to the penny, potentially holding more charge without significantly changing potential.
  • Further clarification is provided that the finger does not need to be earthed, but the body has a capacitance to Earth that affects the interaction with the touchscreen.
  • Participants discuss the concept of capacitance in relation to the impedance of the paths involved in the touchscreen's operation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the finger needs to be earthed for the touchscreen to function and the role of body capacitance in this process. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing explanations presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the explanations provided, particularly regarding the assumptions about grounding and capacitance, as well as the specific conditions under which the touchscreen operates.

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Hello,

I have a question that's really bothering me. So I've been reading about projected capacitance touchscreens (the kind that's in so many cell phones, the iphone etc) and I don't understand what the physical property of my finger is that allows the screen to function. From what I've been reading, which is really hazy incomplete information, I am kind of stumped. I've read that any conductor should be able to work but when I place a penny (copper-plated) on the screen and move it with eraser on the back of a pencil, I get nothing. If I am touching the penny with my finger though it works.

The description on wiki does not seem ...complete or seemingly correct in some instances including this specific sentence
"Bringing a finger or conductive stylus close to the surface of the sensor changes the local electrostatic field. " ...since I can't seem to make that work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Projected_capacitance

I have several questions but I would like to see the response to this before I ask them. So yeah if anyone can explain in a technical manner what property my finger has over the penny that allows the screen to register the input I would appreciate it.

I speculate that my finger is holding a charge and that's the difference but I rubbed the penny on the cat haha trying to put some charge on it to get it to work that way and I got nothing.

Thank you,
E.
 
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Your finger is earthed.
The penny simply rises to the electric field of the screen - you + the Earth resists changing potential, so a potential difference exists which the screen can sense
 
mgb_phys said:
Your finger is earthed.
The penny simply rises to the electric field of the screen - you + the Earth resists changing potential, so a potential difference exists which the screen can sense


Interesting...

But my finger is not technically earthed, of course so is it then that my body is just a much larger conductor than the penny relative to the charge on the screen so I can hold a much larger amount of charge without changing my potential?
 
Your finger is earthed, unless you are wearing very good shoes.
Even if it wasn't, yes you are still a large enough source not to change potential much
 
Your finger doesn't need to be earthed. But your body has an appreciable capacitance to Earth (i.e. the case of the device you are holding or is on your lap etc. . This is in series with the small capacitance between your finger and the particular area of the screen and this constitutes a loop with a lower impedance than any other path involving other parts of the screen.
 

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