Proof Involving Matrix Polynomials and Matrix Multiplication

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The discussion revolves around proving a statement involving matrix polynomials and matrix multiplication, specifically showing that for given matrices A and C, the equation (A^n)B = B(C^n) holds for all natural numbers n, under the condition that AB = BC. The problem is situated within the context of linear algebra and matrix theory.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the concept of mathematical induction, discussing the base case and the inductive step. Some express uncertainty about the induction process itself, while others attempt to clarify how to relate the base case to the inductive case.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the induction method, with some participants questioning their understanding of induction and seeking clarification on its application. A few have attempted to outline their reasoning and steps, while others have provided external resources for further learning.

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Some participants indicate a lack of prior exposure to induction, which may affect their ability to engage with the problem effectively. The discussion also highlights the need for a clear understanding of the properties of matrix multiplication relevant to the proof.

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Homework Statement



Let A be an nxn matrix, and C be an mxm matrix, and suppose AB = BC.

(a) Prove the following by induction: For every n∈ℕ, (A^n)B = B(C^n). What property of matrix multiplication do you need to prove this?

Homework Equations



The four basic properties of matrix multiplication discussed in my course are

1. Distributive: (A + B)C = AC + BC and C(A + B) = CA + CB
2. Scalar Commutativity: (tA)B = t(AB) = A(tB)
3. Associative: A(BC) = (AB)C

The Attempt at a Solution



If n = 1, then (A^n)B = B(C^n) becomes (A^1)B = B(C^1) which isAB = BC which is supposed to be true.

Assume (A^n)B = B(C^n) is true for n = k. Then (A^k)B = B(C^k) is true.

Prove (A^n)B = B(C^n) is true for n = k + 1.

(Ak+1)B = B(Ck+1) ⇒ (A(A^k))B = B(C(C^k))

I'm not really sure how to proceed. I tried rewriting the matrix products as the summations of the products of their entries, but that didn't seem to get me anywhere. I know that I have to relate the equation when n = k + 1 to the equation when n = k as part of induction, but I'm still stuck.
 
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Naridax said:

Homework Statement



Let A be an nxn matrix, and C be an mxm matrix, and suppose AB = BC.

(a) Prove the following by induction: For every n∈ℕ, (A^n)B = B(C^n). What property of matrix multiplication do you need to prove this?

Homework Equations



The four basic properties of matrix multiplication discussed in my course are

1. Distributive: (A + B)C = AC + BC and C(A + B) = CA + CB
2. Scalar Commutativity: (tA)B = t(AB) = A(tB)
3. Associative: A(BC) = (AB)C

The Attempt at a Solution



If n = 1, then (A^n)B = B(C^n) becomes (A^1)B = B(C^1) which isAB = BC which is supposed to be true.

Assume (A^n)B = B(C^n) is true for n = k. Then (A^k)B = B(C^k) is true.

Prove (A^n)B = B(C^n) is true for n = k + 1.

(Ak+1)B = B(Ck+1) ⇒ (A(A^k))B = B(C(C^k))

I'm not really sure how to proceed. I tried rewriting the matrix products as the summations of the products of their entries, but that didn't seem to get me anywhere. I know that I have to relate the equation when n = k + 1 to the equation when n = k as part of induction, but I'm still stuck.

Your problem is not a lack of understanding about matrix products, etc., but a very basic lack of understanding of what *induction* is. I am going to ask you a question: do you actually know how induction is supposed to work? If you say YES, could you explain very briefly WHAT form you think such arguments take?

RGV
 
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No. I do not know what induction really is. My instructor only really gave one example quickly. I think he also mentioned that we should have already know what it was, but I did not learn it in AP Calculus BC.
 
Naridax said:
No. I do not know what induction really is. My instructor only really gave one example quickly. I think he also mentioned that we should have already know what it was, but I did not learn it in AP Calculus BC.

There are numerous on-line sources that take you through some examples using induction. See,. eg., http://www.themathpage.com/aprecalc/mathematical-induction.htm or
http://zimmer.csufresno.edu/~larryc/proofs/proofs.mathinduction.html or
http://www.math.utah.edu/mathcircle/notes/induction.pdf . The first one is easiest, the second one is a bit harder and the third one is quite challenging.

RGV
 
Hey Ray,

I'm interested in solving this problem too. If we are given the base case scenario (n=1) as true, can we use that to prove the n=k+1 case is true (in addition to using the n=k case)? The articles you linked typically avoided using the base case scenario in their proofs, but I find it difficult to use *only* the inductive assumption to prove the k+1 case. Is there some rule in induction that demands you can't use the base case, or not?
 
Ray, I still don't know the answer to your question, but I think I know how to get the answer to the problem.

If n = 1, then (A^n)B = B(C^n) becomes (A^1)B = B(C^1) which isAB = BC which is supposed to be true.

Assume (A^n)B = B(C^n) is true for n = k. Then (A^k)B = B(C^k) is true.

Prove (A^n)B = B(C^n) is true for n = k+1.

A^kB = BC^k
A(A^kB) = A(BC^k)
(AA^k)B = A(BC^k)
Ak+1B = A(BC^k)
Ak+1B = (AB)C^k
Ak+1B = (BC)C^k
Ak+1B = B(CC^k)
Ak+1B = BCk+1

A^kB = BC^k
(A^kB)C = (BC^k)C
(A^kB)C = B(C^kC)
(A^kB)C = BCk+1
A^k(BC) = BCk+1
A^k(AB) = BCk+1
(A^kA)B = BCk+1
Ak+1B = BCk+1

Therefore, A^nB = BC^n is true for n = k+1, so A^nB = BC^n is true for all n∈ℕ.

The property of matrix multiplication needed for this proof is the associative law of matrix multiplication.
 
Naridax said:
Ray, I still don't know the answer to your question, but I think I know how to get the answer to the problem.

If n = 1, then (A^n)B = B(C^n) becomes (A^1)B = B(C^1) which isAB = BC which is supposed to be true.

Assume (A^n)B = B(C^n) is true for n = k. Then (A^k)B = B(C^k) is true.

Prove (A^n)B = B(C^n) is true for n = k+1.

A^kB = BC^k
A(A^kB) = A(BC^k)
(AA^k)B = A(BC^k)
Ak+1B = A(BC^k)
Ak+1B = (AB)C^k
Ak+1B = (BC)C^k
Ak+1B = B(CC^k)
Ak+1B = BCk+1

A^kB = BC^k
(A^kB)C = (BC^k)C
(A^kB)C = B(C^kC)
(A^kB)C = BCk+1
A^k(BC) = BCk+1
A^k(AB) = BCk+1
(A^kA)B = BCk+1
Ak+1B = BCk+1

Therefore, A^nB = BC^n is true for n = k+1, so A^nB = BC^n is true for all n∈ℕ.

The property of matrix multiplication needed for this proof is the associative law of matrix multiplication.

Yes: you have it now. You could shorten the argument a lot, but you do include all the needed steps.

RGV
 
May I ask what you meant by what "form" I think mathematical induction proofs take?
 

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