Proof of a relationship between interior and closure

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The discussion revolves around proving a relationship between the closure and interior of a set in a topological space. The original poster expresses difficulty in starting proofs and relies on definitions of closure and interior.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore proof techniques, including proof by contradiction, and discuss implications of definitions related to closure and interior. There are attempts to clarify reasoning and structure proofs based on assumptions.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's proofs, providing feedback, and discussing the validity of their approaches. Some guidance on proof techniques has been offered, and there is an ongoing exploration of different methods to tackle the problem.

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The original poster mentions feeling overwhelmed by the task and the complexity of the definitions involved. There is an indication of uncertainty regarding the conclusions that can be drawn from specific assumptions.

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A^closure = X\(X\A)^interior

I am REALLY bad at proofs. I never know where to start. I only have the definitions of closure and interior. I feel like they threw us in the deep end

I've written like 3pages, but mostly just pictures.
interior: a is an element of A^int iff there exists r>0 with B(a,r) subset of A
and
closure: a is an element of A^closure iff for all r>0, B(a,r)(and)A are not empty
 
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I'll do one implication, you try the other.

(Edit: \overline isn't working in TeX, so I'll denote the closure of A by cl(A).)

Suppose x \in cl(A). Now we need to show that x \notin (X\backslash A)^\circ. For contradiction, suppose that x \in (X\backslash A)^\circ. Then there is some r_0 >0 such that B(x, r_0) \subseteq X \backslash A. Thus B(x, r_0) \cap A = \varnothing. However, this contradicts the assumption that x \in cl(A) since for any r>0, we have B(x, r) \cap A \neq \varnothing by the definition of cl(A). Therefore cl(A) \subseteq X \backslash (X \backslash A)^\circ.

Did that make sense?

If so, then try the other implication! :smile:
 
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Oh and welcome to the forum!
 
Thank you :shy:
Yours totally makes sense! How did you know to do it using a contradiction?
I tried a similar thing, I hope it's right:

Suppose x element of X\int(X\A), thus x not an element of int(X\A).
We need to show that x element of closure(A).
By contradiction, suppose that x not element of clos(A). Then there is some r>0 such that B(x, r)(and)A=empty set. So that B(x, r) a subset of X\A.
However, this contradicts the assumption since x not an element of int(X\A)
Therefore x an element of clos(A)
 
It's often useful to do a proof by contradiction when you're trying to prove a negative statement, and in this case a was trying to show that x was not an element of a set. When trying to prove a negative statement, you typically either have to rephrase it as a positive statement, or use contradiction. I'll just say that is considered by some to be "inelegant" to use a proof by contradiction except when totally necessary.

Your proof looks correct to me! Since in this case you're actually proving a positive statement, you may want to prove it directly, i.e. without using contradiction. It should boil down to the same thing in the end, though.
 
Thank you so much! I tried some other ways, but I'm not sure about what I can conclude using only x is not an element of int(X-A)
 

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