Proof of "If f(x) is Continuous, then |f(x)| is Continuous

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the theorem stating that if f(x) is a continuous function, then |f(x)| is also continuous. Participants explore various methods of proof, including the epsilon-delta definition of continuity and the composition of functions, while seeking clarity on the underlying concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the theorem's presence in literature but expresses confusion about its proof.
  • Another participant asserts that the absolute value function is continuous and that the composition of continuous functions is also continuous.
  • A different viewpoint is presented using the example of y = -1/x and its absolute counterpart z = |-1/x|, suggesting both are continuous in their respective domains.
  • Some participants inquire about proving the theorem without relying on function composition.
  • A suggestion is made to use the Weierstrass definition of continuity, with one participant indicating they are not a mathematician and hoping for input from a more knowledgeable member.
  • One participant outlines the epsilon-delta definition of continuity, providing a detailed explanation of how it applies to the proof.
  • Another participant questions whether it is necessary to show that the limit of |f(x)| approaches |f(a)|, suggesting it may be obvious.
  • Concerns are raised about the understanding of epsilon-delta statements, with a participant emphasizing the importance of the concept of continuity beyond mere connectivity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the epsilon-delta definition and the nature of continuity. There is no consensus on a single method of proof, and multiple viewpoints on the necessity of certain steps in the proof process remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the epsilon-delta definition and its application, while others challenge the intuitive notions of continuity presented in calculus education.

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I have seen this theorem in a few books, but none of them give proofs, it says

if f(x) is a continuous function then lf(x)l is a continuous function. What is the proof of this because i don't really understand why this holds, thanks
 
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The function |~|:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R} is continuous. Composition of continuous functions is continuous.
 
It makes sense though.

Consider y=-1/x : its continuous in the domain of x in (0,infinity) right?

and its counterpart z=|-1/x| = 1/x is continuous in the same domain for x
 
Ahh, yeah i get that, but can you not prove it without using composition of two functions?
 
i might pm him, cheers
 
It is very easy to prove using the \epsilon-\delta definition. Are you familiar with \epsilonand \delta definitions?
 
yeah, that's about the limit of my analysis knowledge, how would you use the ε,δ definition?
 
macca1994 said:
i might pm him, cheers

No need micro can handle it too. I think the epsilon / delta is the weierstrass definition.
 
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macca1994 said:
yeah, that's about the limit of my analysis knowledge, how would you use the ε,δ definition?

Take an a\in \mathbb{R}. You will need to prove

\forall \varepsilon >0: \exists \delta >0: \forall x: |x-a|<\delta~\Rightarrow ||f(x)|-|f(a)||<\varepsilon

You are given that f is continuous in a, thus:

\forall \varepsilon >0: \exists \delta >0: \forall x: |x-a|<\delta~\Rightarrow |f(x)-f(a)|<\varepsilon

So, take \varepsilon>0 arbitrary. Take \delta>0 as in the previous definition: so it holds that

\forall x: |x-a|<\delta~\Rightarrow |f(x)-f(a)|<\varepsilon

Take an x arbitrary such that |x-a|<\delta. Then we know that

||f(x)|-|f(a)||\leq |f(x)-f(a)|<\varepsilon

So we have verified that ||f(x)|-|f(a)||<\varepsilon and thus we have verified that \varepsilon-\delta definition of continuity. Thus |f| is continuous.
 
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ah that makes sense and is very obvious, do you need to show that limit of lf(x)l is in fact lf(a)l or is that just obvious?
 
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macca1994 said:
ah that makes sense and is very obvious, do you need to show that limit of lf(x)l is in fact lf(a)l or is that just obvious?

I've just proven that here. It's because |f| is continuous in a.
 
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oh okay, i get it, thanks for the help
 
  • #14
Are you trying to prove this for a class or so that you understand it? Judging from your posts, I don't think that you understand the epsilon-delta statements.

Many calculus teachers give the intuitive rule "if you can completely draw the graph of f on an interval without lifting your pencil, then f is continuous on that interval." This is true, and it will work if you are given an f for which the antecedent is true. (In your case, you're not given a particular f, so this rule would not lead to a proof, even on an informal level.)

However, mathematicians do not care about continuous functions because they appear to be connected; they study continuous functions because continuous functions enjoy the property that small changes in input do not significantly affect their outputs. That is, if we want our function outputs to be within some margin of error ε about the function value f(y), we can always bound an interval of radius δ about y so that if we choose any input in the interval (y-δ,y+δ), we are guaranteed to have an output within the interval (f(y)-ε,f(y)+ε). Any function that enjoys this property is continuous at y.

Sorry if I'm telling you something you already know, but I have had far too many students who still equate continuity with connectivity because teachers of the calculus never tell the students the true importance of continuous functions. I thought I'd better intervene before you settled on what continuity means in your mind.
 

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