Proofing Euler's Phi Function.

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The discussion revolves around proving properties of Euler's Phi function, specifically for the case when p is a prime number and the expression for ϕ(p²). Participants explore the relationship between the function and prime numbers, as well as the implications for higher powers of primes.

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  • The original poster attempts to establish a proof for the expression ϕ(p²) = p(p-1) based on observed patterns. Some participants suggest using the definition of the Phi function to count integers less than p² that are relatively prime to it. Questions arise about extending the reasoning to higher powers, such as p³, and whether the same logic applies.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the definition of the Phi function and its implications for prime powers. There is an exploration of how the reasoning might extend to p³, indicating a productive line of inquiry without reaching a consensus.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, focusing on proving rather than simply stating results. The original poster expresses difficulty in formalizing their understanding, which is a point of discussion.

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Generally, I am stumped by the Phi function. I have found out the pattern but I am having difficulty proving it.

Homework Statement


i) When p is a prime number, obtain an expression in terms of p for:-
ϕ(p²)

Homework Equations


ϕ(p)=p-1

The Attempt at a Solution


ϕ(p)=p-1
so ϕ(5)=4 therefore p²=5²=25 therefore ϕ(p²)=20
Also, if p=3 then ϕ(3)=2 therefore ϕ(9)=6

It appears that ϕ(p²)= p(p-1)

My problem is that I am not able to proof it. Yes, the pattern is p(p-1) but I am stuck as to how to explain it. Any soloutions?
 
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Just use the definition of phi. phi(p^2) is the number of integers less than p^2 that are relatively prime to p^2. If a number is NOT relatively prime to p^2 then it must be divisible by p. How many numbers less than p^2 are divisible by p?
 
Dick said:
Just use the definition of phi. phi(p^2) is the number of integers less than p^2 that are relatively prime to p^2. If a number is NOT relatively prime to p^2 then it must be divisible by p. How many numbers less than p^2 are divisible by p?


But how would you then mvoe onto p^3? Would p^3 then be p(p(p-1) or am I wrong. If I take what you say which is that If a number is NOT relatively prime to p^2 then it must be divisible by p Then can I apply the same rule to p^3?
 
xWhiteyx said:
But how would you then mvoe onto p^3? Would p^3 then be p(p(p-1) or am I wrong. If I take what you say which is that If a number is NOT relatively prime to p^2 then it must be divisible by p Then can I apply the same rule to p^3?

Yes. You can apply the same rule to p^3 if p is prime.
 

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