Propelling A Small Rocket With Magnets?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility and design of a small rocket propulsion system using electromagnets, with a focus on creating a working model for a high school senior project. Participants explore various concepts related to magnetic propulsion, including induction launchers, coilguns, and the implications of using capacitors for power storage.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using electromagnets in a tunnel to launch a rocket, similar to maglev technology.
  • Another participant recommends researching "induction launcher" and provides a link to coilgun information.
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding the use of capacitor banks to power electromagnets, discussing the configuration of capacitors in series and parallel.
  • Concerns are raised about how to prevent powerful magnets from interfering with electronics during the launch process.
  • Some participants propose that if the rocket is made of iron or is an electromagnet itself, it could be propelled by magnets, while also mentioning the potential of plasma rockets as a future technology.
  • A participant introduces the concept of a Faraday cage as a solution to electromagnetic interference, prompting further questions about its effectiveness.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the Faraday cage's ability to block a constant magnetic field.
  • Discussion includes the idea that magnetic permeability might interfere with magnetic fields, referencing the Meissner effect and its relevance to superconductors.
  • A suggestion is made that a scaled-down gauss cannon or railgun might be simpler to construct, though it raises questions about whether this would qualify as a magnetic launch.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of ideas and concerns regarding the implementation of magnetic propulsion for rockets, with no clear consensus on the best approach or the effectiveness of proposed solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various technical aspects, including the configuration of capacitors and the implications of magnetic fields, without resolving the complexities involved in the design and functionality of the proposed systems.

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My senior project for high school is to prove that NASA can make their launch more efficient by adding electromagnets to launch. I was thinking just magnets lining a tunnel coming from underground that move the payload a lot like a maglev. My job is to make a model of this, and I'd like to make a real, working model.

I will print out a tiny model of a rocket that I design myself in Solidworks, but when it comes to launch I'm stuck. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can make a small magnetic launching system for my model?

Thanks!
 
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Google "induction launcher".
 
You'll probably need a small capacitor bank to power your magnets(presumably electromagnets). Basically, this is just a bunch of capacitors wired in series and parallel to store energy, and release it in a pulse, resulting in a higher amount of power at the same energy. Please note that because it is the same energy, the time is shortened, which is why it has the higher power.

The capacitors in series provide a higher voltage, which can push a larger current, but at the expense of capacitance. Just add the voltages of the capacitors together for the total voltage. The capacitance in series is given by C^-1 = c(1)^-1 + c(2)^-1 + c(3)^-1 and so on.

The capacitors in parallel provide an increase in capacitance and current flow. The capacitance of parallel is just to add the capacitance of the parallel capacitors. The current is the same, if the current is all converging to a single point. In this case, the current is added. This requires that the voltage be the same. However, this does NOT work if the voltage is NOT the same in all the branches.

You should probably get a basic electronics book at the library if you need more information.

If you need a place to buy some capacitors, you could try mouser.com. I bought a few pieces from them, and they literally have a crapload of stuff on the website.
 
In real life, how would you stop the magnet from messing with the electronics? It is going to have to be a pretty powerful magnet.
 
NoobofPhysics said:
My senior project for high school is to prove that NASA can make their launch more efficient by adding electromagnets to launch. I was thinking just magnets lining a tunnel coming from underground that move the payload a lot like a maglev. My job is to make a model of this, and I'd like to make a real, working model.

I will print out a tiny model of a rocket that I design myself in Solidworks, but when it comes to launch I'm stuck. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can make a small magnetic launching system for my model?

Thanks!


Arent they talking about how to launch the rocked itself, are they looking for a better way to load the rocked. But ofcourse, there are many ways to launch a rocket with electromagnetism. If the rocket is made out of iron, or is a one huge electromagnet, it can be propelled from the ground by magnets. Or it can also propell plasma gas and ionized gas with magnetic propulsion. Plasma rockets actually are probably going to be the next generation of rockets.
 
jetwaterluffy said:
In real life, how would you stop the magnet from messing with the electronics? It is going to have to be a pretty powerful magnet.

That's a fairly simple problem to solve. I believe a faraday cage is what is used to screen electric and some electromagnetic radiation(depending on the size of the holes used in the screen). Basically, it's just a metal cage with small holes.
 
MrNerd said:
That's a fairly simple problem to solve. I believe a faraday cage is what is used to screen electric and some electromagnetic radiation(depending on the size of the holes used in the screen). Basically, it's just a metal cage with small holes.

How does that work then?
 
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As I can see how it would block lightning and possibly average out an oscillating magnetic or electric field. However, if the magnet is turned on and stays on, as in this example, I don't see how it could work.
 
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I had forgotten about that. In that case, I'm pretty sure magnetic permeability interferes with the magnetic field. I think it draws the magnetic field lines into it or something. Wikipedia also has something on the Meissner effect, but I doubt superconductors are going to be used in a school science fair.
 
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Sounds like a scaled down gauss cannon or rail gun would be easier to make. Just make sure your rocket is non Ferris. But I don't know if that would count as a magnetic launch.
 

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