Prove 2-D Lorentzian Metric is Locally Equivalent to Standard Form

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The discussion revolves around proving that any two-dimensional Lorentzian metric can locally be transformed into a specific standard form. Participants explore the mathematical techniques involved in diagonalizing the metric and the implications of coordinate transformations, particularly in the context of light-cone coordinates.

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  • Some participants suggest that changing coordinates to diagonalize the metric locally is a key step in the proof.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of correctly interpreting the notation and the role of indices in the metric tensor representation.
  • There is a discussion about the possibility of diagonalizing the metric at every point, with some expressing uncertainty about whether this is always achievable.
  • Another participant notes that the given metric is in light-cone coordinates and discusses the implications of this for rewriting the metric components.
  • Some participants clarify that the metric tensor is symmetric, which allows for finding an orthogonal basis, but this does not directly address the original question about global properties.
  • A participant mentions a hint regarding the use of coordinates associated with null geodesics, which initially caused confusion but was later clarified.

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Participants express differing views on the ability to diagonalize the metric at every point, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding this aspect. There is also some confusion about notation and terminology, which has led to clarifications but not a consensus on all points.

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Some limitations include the dependence on specific coordinate choices and the potential for misunderstanding the implications of the symmetry of the metric tensor. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the mathematical framework involved.

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Hi, how can I prove that any 2-dim Lorentzian metric can locally be brought to the form

$$g=2 g_{uv}(u,v) \mathrm{d}u \mathrm{d}v=2 g_{uv}(-\mathrm{d}t^2+dr^2)$$

in which the light-cones have slopes one?

Thanks!
 
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By changing coordinates to a set of coordinates that diagonalise the metric locally. This should just be an exercise in diagonalising a 2x2 matrix.
 
Your notation is a little mixed up. Typically, we would write:

ds^2 = \sum_{u v} g_{uv} dx^u dx^v

where ds is the line element, sort of an infinitesimal length, and u, v range over the indices for your coordinate system, and g_{uv} is a component of the metric tensor in that coordinate system. There is no factor of 2, and it doesn't make sense to write g_{uv} (dt^2 - dx^2). u and v are dummy indices, while t and x are specific coordinates. It would make sense to write:

ds^2 = g_{tt} dt^2 + g_{xx} dx^2

using t and x as both the coordinates and the indices, or you can write it as:

ds^2 = g_{00} (dx^0)^2 + g_{11} (dx^1)^2

where x^0 \equiv t and x^1 \equiv x

Let's not prejudice ourselves by writing x and t, but instead start with arbitrary coordinates u and v. Then we can write it as a matrix problem:

ds^2 = \left( \begin{array} \\ du & dv \end{array} \right) \left( \begin{array} \\ g_{uu} & g_{uv} \\ g_{vu} & g_{vv} \end{array} \right) \left( \begin{array} \\ du \\ dv \end{array} \right) = g_{uu} du^2 + g_{uv} du dv + g_{vu} dv du + g_{vv} dv^2

Then the issue is to change coordinates from u, v to x, t via a transformation matrix K:

\left( \begin{array} \\ du \\ dv \end{array} \right) = \left( \begin{array} \\ K_{ut} & K_{ux} \\ K_{vt} & K_{vx} \end{array} \right) \left( \begin{array} \\ dt \\ dx \end{array} \right)

Then you want to choose K such that \tilde{g} \equiv K^T g K is diagonal (as a matrix equation), where K^T means the transpose of K. Then in terms of \tilde{g}, you have:

ds^2 = \left( \begin{array} \\ dt & dx \end{array} \right) \left( \begin{array} \\ \tilde{g}_{tt} & 0 \\ 0 & \tilde{g}_{xx} \end{array} \right) \left( \begin{array} \\ dt \\ dx \end{array} \right) = \tilde{g}_{tt} dt^2 + \tilde{g}_{xx} dx^2

Once the metric is diagonal, you can get it into the form: ds^2 = g_{tt} (dt^2 - dx^2) by just scaling x: x \rightarrow \frac{\sqrt{g_{tt}}}{\sqrt{-g_{xx}}} x

Note, that all of this is taking place at a single point. That is, you can always pick coordinates so that g_{xt} = 0 at a single point. I'm actually not sure if it's always possible to make the metric diagonal at every point.
 
stevendaryl said:
Your notation is a little mixed up. Typically, we would write:

ds^2 = \sum_{u v} g_{uv} dx^u dx^v

where ds is the line element, sort of an infinitesimal length, and u, v range over the indices for your coordinate system, and g_{uv} is a component of the metric tensor in that coordinate system.

The given metric is in light-cone coordinates where there is only one term (remembering that the metric tensor is symmetric) since both coordinate directions are null. The corresponding metric component is ##g_{uv} = g_{vu}##. The problem is to rewrite this in another set of coordinates such that the metric components become ##g_{tt} = -g_{xx} = 2g_{uv}##.

Edit: Note that physicists will often write ##2 du\, dv## when they really mean ##du\otimes dv + dv\otimes du##.

stevendaryl said:
I'm actually not sure if it's always possible to make the metric diagonal at every point.
The metric is symmetric. It is always possible to find an orthogonal basis to a real symmetric matrix.
 
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Orodruin said:
The metric is symmetric. It is always possible to find an orthogonal basis to a real symmetric matrix.

That wasn't the question.

It's certainly true that for any specific point \mathcal{P} there is a coordinate system x, t such that g_{x t} = 0 at point \mathcal{P}. But it doesn't obviously follow from that that g_{x t} = 0 everywhere.
 
Orodruin said:
The given metric is in light-cone coordinates where there is only one term (remembering that the metric tensor is symmetric) since both coordinate directions are null.

Ah. I misunderstood. I thought that there was an implicit summation going on, so that g_{uv} du dv meant a sum over all possible u and v.
 
stevendaryl said:
That wasn't the question.

Sorry, I read your post a bit fast. I was already in "local mode" since it was mentioned in the OP.
 
Thanks everybody for your help!

I got thrown off by a Hint that said "use coordinates associated with right-going and left-going null geodesics." which made it sound much more complicated than it was.
 
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Pentaquark5 said:
Thanks everybody for your help!

I got thrown off by a Hint that said "use coordinates associated with right-going and left-going null geodesics." which made it sound much more complicated than it was.

##u=r-t## and ##v=r+t##
 

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