Is this Proof of √3 Irrationality Flawed?

In summary, the conversation discusses a proof for the statement that there is no rational number x such that x^2 = 3. The proof involves showing that if a rational number x satisfies this equation, then both its numerator and denominator are multiples of 3, which contradicts the assumption that the fraction is fully simplified. However, this logic does not hold for the statement x^2 = 4, as 4 is not a prime number. Therefore, the proof does not apply for this case.
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Homework Statement



Prove that there is no rational x such that x2=3

2. The attempt at a solution

Suppose that there is a rational x=[itex]\frac{a}{b}[/itex]=[itex]\sqrt{3}[/itex] and that the fraction is fully simplified. (ie. a and b have no common factor)

Then a2/b2=3 which means a2=b2.3 and it follows that a is a factor of 3 and be written a=3.k (k is an integer). Therefore a2/b2 = 9.k2/b2=3. Therefore b2=3.k2.

This means both a and b are multiples of 3 and this contradicts our original assumption that the fraction is fully simplified.

3. Question

As far as I can tell the proof is sound but if you replace 3 with 4 the same logic holds and this means there is no rational number x such that x2=4 which is obviously wrong since 2 does. So what is wrong with this proof.
 
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No, the "same logic" does not work with 4 because 3 is a prime number and 4 is not. 6 is not a multiple of 4 but [itex]6^2= 36= 4(9)[/itex] is. That's because 6(6)= (2(3))(2(3))= (2)(2)(3)(3)= 4(9). You can't do that with 3.

More formally, every integer is of the form 3k or 3k+1 or 3k+ 2 for some integer k. [itex](3k)^2= 9k^2= 3(3k^2)[/itex] is a multiple of 3. [itex](3k+1)^2= 9k^2+ 6k+ 2= 3(3k^2+ 2k)+ 1[/itex] is not a multiple of 3. [itex](3k+2)^2= 9k^2+ 12k+ 4= 3(3k^2+ 4k+ 1)+ 1[/itex] is not a multiple of 3. That is, for any integer, n, [itex]n^2[/itex] is a multiple of 3 if and only if n is a multiple of 3.

That does NOT work with 4. Every integer is of the form 4k, or 4k+1, or 4k+ 2, or 4k+ 3. BOTH [itex](4k)^2= 16k^2= 4(4k^2)[/itex] and [itex](4k+ 2)= 16k^2+ 16k+ 4= 4(4k^2+ 4k+ 1)[/itex] are multiples of 4.
 
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Your proof uses your previous result, that if [itex]p^2[/itex] is a multiple of 3, then [itex]p[/itex] also is. This is only true for prime numbers.
 
  • #4
Thanks for clearing it up that makes perfect sense
 

Related to Is this Proof of √3 Irrationality Flawed?

What does it mean for a number to be irrational?

An irrational number is a number that cannot be expressed as a ratio of two integers. It is a non-repeating, non-terminating decimal.

How do you prove that root 3 is irrational?

The proof for the irrationality of root 3 is a classic proof by contradiction. We assume that root 3 is rational and then use logical steps to reach a contradiction, proving that our assumption was incorrect and root 3 must be irrational.

Why is it important to prove that root 3 is irrational?

Proving that root 3 is irrational is important because it helps us understand the nature of numbers and their relationships. It also has applications in various fields such as mathematics, physics, and engineering.

Can you give an example of a proof by contradiction for root 3?

Yes, the most common proof by contradiction for root 3 is the "proof by square root of 3" method. It involves assuming that root 3 is rational, and then using the fact that a rational number squared is also rational, to show that root 3 must be irrational.

Are there other methods to prove that root 3 is irrational?

Yes, there are other methods such as the proof by continued fractions and the proof by Euclid's lemma. However, the proof by contradiction is the most commonly used and straightforward method to prove that root 3 is irrational.

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