Prove set of sequences is a basis

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The discussion revolves around proving that the set of sequences {e_i}, where each e_i is a sequence in the subspace c_00 of eventually zero sequences, forms a basis for c_00. Participants are tasked with demonstrating both linear independence and spanning properties of this infinite set.

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  • Participants express uncertainty about how to prove spanning for an infinite set, with some suggesting that contradiction might be a useful approach. Others question the difficulty of demonstrating that any element can be represented as a finite linear combination of basis elements.

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Some participants have offered insights into the nature of the sequences and the properties of the subspace. There is an acknowledgment that a finite number of the e_i's can span any sequence in c_00, and the conversation is exploring how this understanding can be articulated in the proof.

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Participants note that c_00 is a subspace and that {e_i} is a countably infinite set of sequences. The discussion includes considerations of the implications of working with infinite sets and the requirements for linear combinations in this context.

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Let c_00 be the subspace of all sequences of complex numbers that are "eventually zero". i.e. for an element x∈c_00, ∃N∈N such that xn=0,∀n≥n.

Let {e_i}, i∈N be the set where e_i is the sequence in c_00 given by (e_i)_n =1 if n=i and (e_i)_n=0 if n≠i.

Show that (e_i), i∈N is a basis for c_00.

So I need to show it's linearly independent and that it spans c_00. I am not sure how to go about proving this makes it confusing is that it's an infinite set, so I can't use the usual method and take a finite number of vectors.

I have an idea of how to prove linear independence, but not spanning.

Any tips/hints?

Thanks
 
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SMA_01 said:
Let c_00 be the subspace of all sequences of complex numbers that are "eventually zero". i.e. for an element x∈c_00, ∃N∈N such that xn=0,∀n≥n.

Let {e_i}, i∈N be the set where e_i is the sequence in c_00 given by (e_i)_n =1 if n=i and (e_i)_n=0 if n≠i.

Show that (e_i), i∈N is a basis for c_00.

So I need to show it's linearly independent and that it spans c_00. I am not sure how to go about proving this makes it confusing is that it's an infinite set, so I can't use the usual method and take a finite number of vectors.

I have an idea of how to prove linear independence, but not spanning.

Any tips/hints?

Thanks

Hmm, I think contradiction would be good here.

Suppose that ##\{e_i\}## is not a basis for ##C_∞##.

What does that tell you about ##\{e_i\}##?
 
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Hi SMA_01! :smile:
SMA_01 said:
I have an idea of how to prove … but not spanning.

I don't see the difficulty :confused: … for spanning, you need to prove that given any element, there's a finite number of basis elements that it is a linear combination of.
 
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tiny-tim said:
Hi SMA_01! :smile:


I don't see the difficulty :confused: … for spanning, you need to prove that given any element, there's a finite number of basis elements that it is a linear combination of.

What confused me was the fact that c_00 and {e_i} are infinite sets.
 
SMA_01 said:
What confused me was the fact that c_00 and {e_i} are infinite sets.

i] they're not sets :confused:

ii] all you have to do is add a finite number of them …

what difficulty would you have adding a finite number of decimal expansions? :smile:
 
I would just like to make a side note that ##\{e_i\}## is a countably infinite set of sequences.

##C_∞## is an infinite dimensional subspace.
 
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tiny-tim said:
i] they're not sets :confused:

ii] all you have to do is add a finite number of them …

what difficulty would you have adding a finite number of decimal expansions? :smile:

Sorry, c_00 is a subspace, but {e_i} is a set.
I understand now though how a finite number of the e_i's span any x in c_00, because x_n=0 for n≥N :smile:
 
SMA_01 said:
Sorry, c_00 is a subspace, but {e_i} is a set.
I understand now though how a finite number of the e_i's span any x in c_00, because x_n=0 for n≥N :smile:

Yes, that's the idea.

Since you know any sequence in ##C_∞## converges to zero (eventually the sequence terminates), it will always be possible to find a finite basis. You can scale this finite basis accordingly to represent any element in ##C_∞##.
 

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