Prove that phi(a^n - 1) is divisible by n

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The discussion revolves around proving that φ(a^n - 1) is divisible by n for any a > 1 and n > 0. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of group theory concepts, particularly related to modular arithmetic and the properties of the Euler's totient function.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose setting a^n = 1 + M and argue that a^n ≡ 1 (mod M) is the smallest n for a > 1, n > 0.
  • Others discuss the implications of LaGrange's Theorem, suggesting that n is a divisor of the order of the group related to φ(M).
  • A participant questions the assertion that M = n, seeking clarification on the relationship between M and n.
  • Another participant clarifies that M does not equal n, stating that M = (a^n - 1) and that n represents the order of the element a.
  • One participant provides an example using 2^4 = 16 and modulus 15 to illustrate the concept of reduced residue groups and their orders, relating it back to the theorem being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between M and n, with some asserting that M = (a^n - 1) while others question this. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise conditions under which φ(a^n - 1) is divisible by n.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of assumptions regarding the definitions of M and its relationship to n, as well as the conditions under which the theorem applies. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, particularly in the context of modular arithmetic.

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As the title says, for any a>1 and n>0
 
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Set [tex]a^n=1+M[/tex]. Consequently [tex]a^n\equiv 1ModM[/tex] and is the smallest n for a>1, n>0. It also follows from the last equation that a belongs to the reduced residue group of order [tex]\phi{M}[/tex]. Consequently by LaGrange's Theorem, n is a divisor of the order of the group.
 
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robert Ihnot said:
Set [tex]a^n=1+M[/tex]. Consequently [tex]a^n\equiv 1ModM[/tex] and is the smallest n for a>1, n>0. It also follows from the last equation that a belongs to the reduced residue group of order [tex]\phi{M}[/tex]. Consequently by LaGrange's Theorem, n is a divisor of the order of the group.

You cannot say that for sure, or I am wrong?
 
al-mahed: You cannot say that for sure, or I am wrong?

I can say what I meant for sure. However, the way I wrote it, "And is the smallest n for a>1,
n>0, which you have put in red, this, I see, is confusing. It is not what I am asserting, but is repeating the conditions given by xax, "As the title says, for any a>1 and n>0."

So that since n >0, and a>1, which is a very minimal restriction, we know we have a positive value here which I deliberately set: [tex]a^n=1+M[/tex] This is the smallest value of n which can be used to achieve the required non-trivial equation: [tex]a^n\equiv 1ModM[/tex] since the left side is, in fact, just 1 more than M.

Thanks for the comment, it shows someone is reading this.
 
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robert, why does m = n and [tex]a^n=1+m[/tex]? This is exactly what I need to prove?
I understood why [tex]a^n=1+M[/tex], but did not understand why M=n.
Thanks
 
M does not equal n. M=(a^n-1). Thus the order of the group [tex]\phi{M}=\phi(a^n-1)[/tex]. n is the order of the element a.
 
you've saved me again robert, thanks.
 
What you have to do sometimes is look at problems. Say, 2^4 =16. So we set the modulus at 15. Thus we have 2^4 ==1 Mod 15.

Now phi(15)= phi(5)*phi(3) = 4x2 = 8. That means that the reduced residue group of elements relatively prime to 15 are 8 in number. They are the elements that form the multiplicative group. (3 for example is not in this group since there is no solution to 3X==1 Mod 15. So 3 has no inverse.)

In fact, the eight elements are: 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 11, 13, 14. Each one of these group elements has an inverse. For example: 1*1==1 Mod 15, 2*8=16==1 Mod 15, 4*4==1 Mod 15, 7*13 = 91==1 Mod 15, and so forth.

The theorem then states that the order of the element, which is 4, divides the order of the group which is 8.
 
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