Prove that the altitudes of a triangle are concurrent

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The discussion revolves around proving that the altitudes of a triangle are concurrent, specifically focusing on the concept of the orthocenter. Participants are exploring the relationships between the altitudes and their geometric properties.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are questioning whether the conditions for the altitudes to meet at a point O can be established through vector relationships. There is discussion about defining point O as the intersection of two altitudes and the necessity of showing that a constructed line is indeed an altitude.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the geometric and vector-based reasoning behind the proof. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions and properties of altitudes and angles in triangles, but no consensus has been reached.

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There are mentions of specific cases, such as equilateral and scalene triangles, and the implications of angles greater than 90º on the location of the orthocenter. Participants are also addressing potential misunderstandings related to diagrams and definitions.

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Prove that the altitudes of a triangle are concurrent. That is, they meet at a point.
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Dot product of perpendicular vectors = 0
Hi everyone

I have the solutions to this problem, but I'm not sure I fully understand them.

Is the idea behind the proof that all of the following can only be true if the altitudes meet at O?
1. c-b is perpendicular to a
2. c-a is perpendicular to b
3. b-a is perpendicular to c.

That is, if they didn't meet at O, the component vectors of c-b would not cancel so that the resultant vector is perpendicular to a (and the same holds for (c-a)*b and (b-a)*c).Thanks
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NB. a = OA, b = OB, c = OC. I used a segment to make labels and I'm stuck with the dots at the end of the segments.

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@Lnewqban, I think that the diagram in Post #2 shows the intersection of the bisectors of the three angles (giving the incentre and incircle). But the Post #1 question is about the intersection of the altitudes (at the orthocentre): https://d138zd1ktt9iqe.cloudfront.net/media/seo_landing_files/orthocenter-of-a-triangle-1628503825.png

(It’s worth noting that if one of the triangle’s angles is greater than 90º, then the orthocentre lies outside the triangle. This is never true of the incentre.)

@Darkmisc, your diagram shown in Post #1 uses an equilateral triangle. The question presumably requires consideration of the general case (a scalene triangle). Working with the simplest case of an equilateral triangle could be misleading - probably best avoided!

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Darkmisc said:
Is the idea behind the proof that all of the following can only be true if the altitudes meet at O?
1. c-b is perpendicular to a
2. c-a is perpendicular to b
3. b-a is perpendicular to c.

That is, if they didn't meet at O, the component vectors of c-b would not cancel so that the resultant vector is perpendicular to a (and the same holds for (c-a)*b and (b-a)*c).
Not how I'd explain the process. See if this makes sense...

In the proof, point O is first defined as the point of intersection of just two altitudes: the altitude from A and the altitude from B.

Then a new line is constructed from O to C.

This new line may or may not be the altitude from C. We need to prove that it is indeed the altitude.

To do this we need to show that OC is perpendicular to AB. (Because, by definition, the altitude from C passes through C and is perpendicular to AB.)

This means showing that vector c (corresponding to OC) is perpendicular to vector (b – a) (corroding to AB).

The proof relies on you understanding a couple of key points:

a) how to geometrically subtract one vector from another (that's how we know that the sides of the triangle correspond to (c-a), (c-b) and (b-a)). E.g. see the 2 drawings on the right here: https://www.qsstudy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Vectors-addition-and-subtraction.jpg

b) the dot product of 2 perpendicular vectors is zero; and conversely, if the dot product of 2 vectors is zero, the vectors must be perpendicular.

Thinking in terms of vector “components” will only confuse the matter.
 
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Steve4Physics said:
@Lnewqban, I think that the diagram in Post #2 shows the intersection of the bisectors of the three angles (giving the incentre and incircle). But the Post #1 question is about the intersection of the altitudes (at the orthocentre): https://d138zd1ktt9iqe.cloudfront.net/media/seo_landing_files/orthocenter-of-a-triangle-1628503825.png

(It’s worth noting that if one of the triangle’s angles is greater than 90º, then the orthocentre lies outside the triangle. This is never true of the incentre.)
I stand corrected.
Thank you, Steve.
My apologies, @Darkmisc .
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