Proving \alpha^i = v x^i on tangent vector space T_pM"

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The discussion revolves around proving the relationship \(\alpha^i = v x^i\) within the context of tangent vector spaces on a differentiable manifold \(M\). Participants explore the implications of defining tangent vectors, coordinate systems, and the role of inner products in this framework.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formulation of a tangent vector \(v\) in terms of local coordinates and expresses a desire to prove \(\alpha^i = v x^i\).
  • Another participant suggests defining an inner product on the tangent space to facilitate the proof, arguing that the tangent space is akin to \(\mathbb{R}^n\).
  • A different participant asserts that the expression \(vx^i = \sum \nolimits_i \alpha^j \frac{\partial}{\partial x^j}x^i = \alpha^j\delta_{ij} = \alpha^i\) is a classical approach found in manifold theory, but emphasizes the need for proper definitions.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the rigor of the argument and suggests that the proof may not rely on inner products, focusing instead on the nature of manifolds and coordinate functions.

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Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the necessity of inner products and the sufficiency of the proposed proof. Some believe the classical approach is valid, while others question its rigor and applicability.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the definitions of inner products in the context of tangent spaces and the implications of coordinate functions on differentiability. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the foundational concepts involved.

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Let me first confess this a copy/paste of a question I asked on another forum; I trust it's not against the rules.

Let M be a C^{\infty} manifold, and, for some neighbourhood U\ni p \subsetneq M let there be local coordinates x^i such that p=(x^1,\,x^2,...,x^n)

Suppose that T_pM is a tangent vector space at p, and define a coordinate basis for T_pM as \frac{\partial}{\partial x^i}.

By modeling on "ordinary" linear algebra, suppose that any v \in T_pM = \sum\nolimits_ i \alpha^i \frac{\partial}{\partial x^i}, where the \{\alpha^i\} are scalar.

I want to prove that \alpha^i = v x^i.

My thoughts, based on inner product spaces...

Suppose V is a vector space with inner products. Let the set \{e_j\} denote the basis vectors. Then any v \in V can be expressed as v = \sum \nolimits_j a^j e_j, where the \{a^j\} are scalar.

Now the inner product of an arbitrary basis vector with an arbitrary vector will be denoted by (v,e_i) = \sum \nolimits_j(a^j e_j, e_i)=\sum \nolimits_j a^j( e_j, e_i) (since inner products are bilinear) hence (v, e_i) = \sum \nolimits_j a^j(e_j,e_i) = \sum \nolimits_j a^j \delta _{ij} = a^i

This looks promising, except we don't have an IP on T_pM, and moreover, the \{x^i\} are coordinates, not a basis!

Where do I go from here? I tried the simple operation vx^i = \sum \nolimits_i \alpha^j \frac{\partial}{\partial x^j}x^i = \alpha^j\delta_{ij}= \alpha^i but I am told this is no proof

Any thoughts out there? Have I effed up somewhere?
 
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This is not really my cup of tea, but can't you simply define the inner product? After all the tangent space is just a linear vector space like Rn, just define a map (e_i, e_j) \mapsto \delta_{ij} and extend it linearly. Would that solve your problem?

Also I don't really get the last remark. Isn't \partial_i = \frac{\partial}{\partial x^i} by definition the basis dual to x_i, such that \partial_i x^j \equiv \delta_{ij}?

You might want to ask someone more knowledgeable, but that's my thought on it.
 
Well,

<br /> vx^i = \sum \nolimits_i \alpha^j \frac{\partial}{\partial x^j}x^i = \alpha^j\delta_{ij}= \alpha^i<br />

it right, and is the classical way to do it that you will find in every book existing on differentiable manifold theory, provided you define properly what you mean by that x^i being differentiated...
 
I thank you both for your responses.
quasar987 said:
Well,

<br /> vx^i = \sum \nolimits_i \alpha^j \frac{\partial}{\partial x^j}x^i = \alpha^j\delta_{ij}= \alpha^i<br />

it right, and is the classical way to do it that you will find in every book existing on differentiable manifold theory
I was told that this is sufficient to prove uniqueness, but not existence. Maybe I was told wrong; again I thank you both
 
I have no idea about rigour, but I think is it has nothing to do with inner products. It starts by defining a manifold as something on which you can put coordinates. Coordinates are functions from the manifold to the real numbers. Since we already put coordinate functions, it's no problem if we put other functions F. Then we introduce curves which are maps from the real numbers into the manifold (say like time t along a trajectory). Then whatever functions on the manifold will change along the curve parameter F(t), for which we can just do normal differentiation. The partial derivative of x wrt x is the special case of differentiating a coordinate function along a coordinate curve.
 

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