Proving/Disproving: Int x, y, z Divisibility Claim

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical proof concerning divisibility among integers. The original poster presents a claim that if an integer x does not divide the product of integers y and z, then x does not divide either y or z. Participants are exploring the implications of this claim and the methods for proving or disproving it.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to approach proving or disproving the claim and seeks guidance on determining when to prove or disprove a statement. Some participants suggest considering the contrapositive of the statement as a potential method for proof.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering insights into the use of contraposition as a strategy for proof. There is a recognition of the need for clarity on how to apply these concepts, particularly in relation to non-implicative statements.

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The original poster mentions having written the claim in logical notation and expresses a desire to understand the application of proof techniques better. There is also a reference to similar questions that may benefit from the insights gained in this discussion.

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I wasn't sure if this went in math, or computer science. I'm posting it here, because it is for a computer science course, although it's technically mathematical proofs...

1. The problem:
Prove or disprove the following claim: For all integers x, y, and z, if x does not divide yz then x does not divide y and x does not divide z.
I wrote this in logic notation first, so I have that down. What I am having difficulty with is the actual prove/disprove part. I understand the steps needed to be taken (1. Assume... etc.), but am having trouble actually applying it. There are other similar questions, but I figured if I could get some help on this question, I could figure out the other ones as well, by applying the same concept...

Also, how do I know what to choose: prove, or disprove? In what circumstances would I attempt to prove, and in what circumstances would I attempt to disprove?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. :)
 
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puddipop said:
I wasn't sure if this went in math, or computer science. I'm posting it here, because it is for a computer science course, although it's technically mathematical proofs...

1. The problem:
Prove or disprove the following claim: For all integers x, y, and z, if x does not divide yz then x does not divide y and x does not divide z.
I wrote this in logic notation first, so I have that down. What I am having difficulty with is the actual prove/disprove part. I understand the steps needed to be taken (1. Assume... etc.), but am having trouble actually applying it. There are other similar questions, but I figured if I could get some help on this question, I could figure out the other ones as well, by applying the same concept...

Also, how do I know what to choose: prove, or disprove? In what circumstances would I attempt to prove, and in what circumstances would I attempt to disprove?
You should attempt to prove a statement only if it is true. If it is false, you should disprove it, which you can do by a single counterexample.
An equivalent statement to the one you are given is its contrapositive: For all integers x, y, and z, if x divides y OR x divides z, then x divides yz. If you can prove that, then you will have proved the statement you're given.
 
Thank you for your help!

I have one more question: I know how to use contrapositive for an implication (P => Q becomes not(Q) => not(P)). But, I'm not sure how to do that for a statement that is not an implication.

For example, how would I apply contraposition to this sort of claim?: All x, y, z belonging to P (prime numbers), x2 + y2 =/= z2 (for all prime numbers x, y, and z, x2 + y2 =/= z2).
 
puddipop said:
Thank you for your help!

I have one more question: I know how to use contrapositive for an implication (P => Q becomes not(Q) => not(P)). But, I'm not sure how to do that for a statement that is not an implication.

For example, how would I apply contraposition to this sort of claim?: All x, y, z belonging to P (prime numbers), x2 + y2 =/= z2 (for all prime numbers x, y, and z, x2 + y2 =/= z2).
I assume you mean x2 and so on. You can write exponents using the X2 button at the top of the input window.

At any rate, that is an implication; namely,
if x, y, and z are prime numbers, then x2 + y2 ≠ z2. Now it should be easy to write the contrapositive.
 

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