Proving Non-linear Wave Equation for Riemann Tensor

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The discussion revolves around proving a non-linear wave equation for the Riemann tensor in the context of general relativity, specifically in empty space as presented in an exercise from Hughston and Tod's "An introduction to General Relativity." The participants explore the use of the Bianchi identity and the implications of the vanishing Ricci tensor.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant begins with the Bianchi identity to derive a relation involving the Riemann tensor and expresses uncertainty about how to manipulate the right-hand side to match the desired form.
  • Another participant suggests that the vanishing Ricci tensor is essential for the proof and proposes that the Bianchi identity may be useful for simplification later in the process.
  • A different participant agrees with the need for more information to efficiently create the proof and encourages looking for additional resources.
  • One participant reiterates the initial approach and suggests manipulating the right-hand side using commutators of covariant derivatives, indicating that this could lead to expressions involving the Riemann tensor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of confidence in the initial approach and the sufficiency of information available. There is no consensus on the best method to proceed with the proof, indicating multiple competing views on how to tackle the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential complexity of deriving the proof and the reliance on specific mathematical identities and properties of the Riemann tensor, which may not be fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hello,

I am working through Hughston and Tod "An introduction to General Relativity" and have gotten stuck on their exercise [7.7] which asks to prove the following non- linear wave equation for the Riemann tensor in an empty space:

eeRabcd = 2Raedf Rbecf − 2Raecf Rbedf − Rabef Rcdef

I have started from the Bianchi identity:

Rabcd;e + Rabec;d + Rabde;c = 0

To give:

ee Rabcd = -∇ed Rabec - ∇ec Rabde

But I don't know what to do to get the RHS into the correct form. Do I use the fact that we are considering empty space such that the Ricci tensor vanishes, Rab = 0 ?

Any help on how to prove this relation would be very much appreciated!
 
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Interesting. If you're told to prove it in empty space, then clearly you're going to need the fact that the Ricci tensor vanishes.

It seems sensible to imagine that you might need the Bianchi identity at some point, since you're differentiating the Riemann tensor, but this looks to me more like something you'd do for simplification at the very end.

None of the possible ingredients you've suggested so far will result in a curvature polynomial of the form R...R...

The only method of attack that I can think of would be to write out the Riemann tensor in terms of the Christoffel symbols. I'm sure this would work, but I imagine it would be really, really ugly.

You could go to Riemann normal coordinates, which might simplify things somewhat.
 
I am with bcrowell on this one, you do not have enough information to efficiently create your proof. Look back and see what you can find that may help, otherwise we can not help you much more than that.
 
dman12 said:
I have started from the Bianchi identity:

Rabcd;e + Rabec;d + Rabde;c = 0

To give:

ee Rabcd = -∇ed Rabec - ∇ec Rabde

But I don't know what to do to get the RHS into the correct form. Do I use the fact that we are considering empty space such that the Ricci tensor vanishes, Rab = 0 ?

Any help on how to prove this relation would be very much appreciated!

This is the right place to start. Now manipulate the RHS of that to give expressions with commutators of covariant derivatives, ##[\nabla_a, \nabla_b]##. Finally, use the fact that the commutator of covariant derivatives gives you a Riemann tensor:

$$[\nabla_a, \nabla_b] V^c = R^c{}_{dab} V^d,$$
etc.
 
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