Publications in Particle Physics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of theoretical physicists publishing numerous papers in response to potential discoveries of new particles at CERN, particularly when such discoveries later turn out to be unfounded. Participants explore the implications of this pattern, questioning the validity of the theories produced and the motivations behind the rapid publication of research in the face of uncertain findings.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over how many theories can emerge from a single observation of a particle that is later disproven, questioning the robustness of the theoretical approaches used.
  • Another participant argues that the laws of the universe cannot be derived from first principles and that theories are developed based on observations, which may later be proven incorrect.
  • Concerns are raised about the motivations for publishing numerous papers, including the impact of citation counts on academic positioning and the potential for a particle to eventually be validated.
  • There is a request for examples of instances where many papers were published based on particles that were later found not to exist.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriateness of the rapid publication of theories following particle observations, and there are differing views on the implications of such practices for the scientific community.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the uncertainty surrounding the validity of theoretical models in particle physics and the challenges in distinguishing between viable theories and those based on non-existent phenomena. There is an acknowledgment of the complexities involved in the relationship between observation and theory development.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers and students in theoretical physics, those interested in the publication practices within scientific communities, and individuals exploring the dynamics of scientific discovery and validation.

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Hello! I read several times that those at CERN observe a new particle with a precision of 3-3.5 sigma and overnight (more or less) hundreds of papers in theoretical physics appear explaining the role of that particle and all its physics implication and after a while CERN announces that there was actually no particle discovered and all these publications become meaningless. I was wondering how is this possible, like how can so many scientist can come up with a theory (and I assume they are solid both from a mathematical and physical point of view) about something that (in the end) doesn't even exist? Like isn't a flaw or something in the approach they use if they can so easily come up with something to fit the observations, even if it is wrong? Or how does this work?
 
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We cannot derive the laws of the universe from first principles. We observe what is there and then we make theories describing that.
There is a huge range of possible theories - and we need experiments to figure out which one fits to our universe.

All these new theories that come up are possible. If they include a particle that turns out to not exist, it just means they are not how our universe looks like. We couldn't know that before we checked.Is it a good use of theorist time to write hundreds of papers for rather weak hints of potential new particles? That is a different question.
One of the reasons for the flood of papers is the citation count: Get your paper out early and everyone will cite you. That can increase the chance to get a better position, for example. And then there is the remote chance that the particle turns out to actually exist and fit to your favorite model...
 
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Silviu said:
Hello! I read several times that those at CERN observe a new particle with a precision of 3-3.5 sigma and overnight (more or less) hundreds of papers in theoretical physics appear explaining the role of that particle and all its physics implication and after a while CERN announces that there was actually no particle discovered and all these publications become meaningless.

Can you give us two or three examples?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Can you give us two or three examples?

I can look for it if you want, although I don't remember the supposed particles and it is hard to find the articles. Here is one that I know about and as they say 500 papers were published based on a particle that proved to not exist.
 

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