Pytels Dynamics 12.8: Missile dynamics, acceleration and escape velocity

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The discussion focuses on solving a physics problem related to missile dynamics, specifically acceleration and escape velocity. Participants explore the equation for missile speed after launch and attempt to derive the acceleration in terms of the distance from the planet's center. There are challenges in correctly applying differentiation and algebraic manipulation, leading to discussions about implicit differentiation and common mistakes in handling square roots. The escape velocity for Earth is also calculated, emphasizing the importance of understanding the underlying physics principles. Overall, the thread highlights the complexities of applying gravitational theory to missile dynamics.
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Homework Statement


A missile is launched from the surface of a planet with the speed v0 at t=0.
According to the theory of universal gravitation, the speed v of the missile after launch
is given by
v2 = 2gr0(r0 / r -1) + v02

where g is the gravitational acceleration on the surface of the planet and r0 is the mean
radius of the planet.
(a) Determine the acceleration of the missile in terms of r.
(b) Find the escape velocity that is the minimum value of v0 for which the missile will not return to the planet.
c)Using the result of part (b) calculate the escape velocity for earth, where g = 9.81m/s2 and
r0 = 6370km

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The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried part (a) . My attempt is found in the attached file.
Another way to go is to use the v2 = 2a(x-x0) + v02
and compare with given equation. I have tried that and couldn't get -g(r0/r)2
How do i solve part (b)? any hints
 

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Alexanddros81 said:
I have tried part (a)
##\sqrt{a-b}## is not the same as ##\sqrt a- \sqrt b##.
Try differentiating without taking the square root.

For b, if it does not return, how large does r get?
 
Check for part a and part b in attached files
If it doesn't return then r→∞
Is part b correct?
 

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Alexanddros81 said:
Check for part a and part b in attached files
If it doesn't return then r→∞
Is part b correct?
Remarkably, you got the right answers to both a and b via flawed algebra.

In a, you differentiated the left hand side with respect to t and the right with respect to r. You must always do the same thing to both sides of an equation. If you differentiate both sides wrt t then on the right you get a factor ##\frac{dr}{dt}## (chain rule).
But in the next line, the derivative of v2 with respect to t is ##2v\frac{dv}{dt}=2va##, not just 2a. These two errors canceled out to give the right result.

In b, you again have made the blunder of distributing √ across a sum of terms. ##\sqrt{v^2+2gr_0}## is not ##\sqrt{v^2}+\sqrt{2gr_0}##. Is √1+√4=√(1+4)? You got away with that because in the case you are interested in v=0.
 
Ok got it!
On the left side we let z=v2 and take the dz/dt = (dz/dr)(dr/dt) = 2va
On the right side we do the same : 2gr02 dz/dt where z=1/r => 2gr02(dz/dr)(dr/dt) =
= 2gr02(-1)r-2v
the 2 and v cancel out
This is implicit differentiation isn't it?
 
Alexanddros81 said:
Ok got it!
On the left side we let z=v2 and take the dz/dt = (dz/dr)(dr/dt) = 2va
On the right side we do the same : 2gr02 dz/dt where z=1/r => 2gr02(dz/dr)(dr/dt) =
= 2gr02(-1)r-2v
the 2 and v cancel out
This is implicit differentiation isn't it?
Yes. But I think you mean dz/dt=dz/dv dv/dt on the left.
 
yes.
 
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