QCD Colors: What Do They Mean?

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The discussion revolves around the meaning of "color" in Quantum Chromodynamics (QCD), exploring its implications for quarks and their interactions. Participants inquire about the nature of color charge, its comparison to electric charge, and whether it applies to leptons. The conversation also touches on the potential existence of preons and the dynamics of color charge changes during interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that color charge in QCD is analogous to electric charge but more complex, with six types of color charge (red, anti-red, blue, anti-blue, green, anti-green).
  • It is noted that quarks carry color charge, while leptons do not.
  • Participants discuss how an up quark can differ from another up quark based on color charge, without necessitating the existence of preons.
  • Some participants draw analogies to chemistry, comparing color charge to electric charge and suggesting that differences in color charge might imply different compositions.
  • There is a proposal that color charge could be viewed similarly to the spin of an electron, with quarks characterized by both spin and color charge.
  • Questions arise about whether a red quark can change to a blue or green quark, with some responses affirming that this is possible through interactions.
  • It is mentioned that the interaction with another quark via a gluon can change a quark's color charge, while the total color charge of the system remains unchanged.
  • A distinction is made between QCD and QED, highlighting that gluons can carry color charge, unlike photons in electromagnetic interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various views on the implications of color charge and its comparison to electric charge, with some analogies being contested. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of preons and the interpretation of color charge in relation to quark identity.

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Some participants' analogies to chemistry may introduce assumptions that are not directly applicable to particle physics. The discussion includes varying interpretations of how color charge functions and its implications for quark interactions.

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Someone please explain what the colors mean in QCD. Are different colors different quarks? Are different colors the same quark with different amounts of energy? Is it something else entirely? Does it apply to leptons?
 
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It's similar to electric charge. A particle can have either a positive or a negative electric charge, and if you combine two particles, one positive and one negative, the combination has no electric charge and is neutral. Color charge is conceptually similar, but more complicated. Instead of just positive and negative charges, there are really six types of color charge, red, anti-red, blue, anti-blue, green and anti-green. If you combine a color and an anti-color (say red and anti-red) the combination has no color charge. We say it is colorless, color-neutral, or 'white'. Also, if you combine all three (red, green and blue, or anti-red, anti-green and anti-blue), that combination is also colorless. All quarks carry color charge, and can come in all three colors. So an up quark can be either red, blue, or green, and an anti-up can be either anti-red, anti-blue, or anti-green. The strong force is so strong, that individually colored particles cannot be separated, so all strong interacting particles that we detect (called hadrons) are always colorless. There are two main types of hadrons. The first are mesons, which consist of one colored quark (red green or blue) and one colored anti-quark (anti-red, anti-blue, or anti-green), so that the combination is colorless. The second type are called baryons, which consist of three quarks, one of each color, so that they are also colorless.

All quarks carry color charge. Leptons do not carry color charge.
 
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phyzguy said:
It's similar to electric charge. A particle can have either a positive or a negative electric charge, and if you combine two particles, one positive and one negative, the combination has no electric charge and is neutral. Color charge is conceptually similar, but more complicated. Instead of just positive and negative charges, there are really six types of color charge, red, anti-red, blue, anti-blue, green and anti-green. If you combine a color and an anti-color (say red and anti-red) the combination has no color charge. We say it is colorless, color-neutral, or 'white'. Also, if you combine all three (red, green and blue, or anti-red, anti-green and anti-blue), that combination is also colorless. All quarks carry color charge, and can come in all three colors. So an up quark can be either red, blue, or green, and an anti-up can be either anti-red, anti-blue, or anti-green. The strong force is so strong, that individually colored particles cannot be separated, so all strong interacting particles that we detect (called hadrons) are always colorless. There are two main types of hadrons. The first are mesons, which consist of one colored quark (red green or blue) and one colored anti-quark (anti-red, anti-blue, or anti-green), so that the combination is colorless. The second type are called baryons, which consist of three quarks, one of each color, so that they are also colorless.

All quarks carry color charge. Leptons do not carry color charge.
Thank you for that great answer, but I still have one question. How can an up quark be different from another up quark? Does this suggest that preons exist?
 
There are three different types of up quark, one of each color. They are identical except for their color charge. I don't see that this requires the existence of preons.
 
phyzguy said:
There are three different types of up quark, one of each color. They are identical except for their color charge. I don't see that this requires the existence of preons.
phyzguy said:
There are three different types of up quark, one of each color. They are identical except for their color charge. I don't see that this requires the existence of preons.
I was thinking about it like chemistry, since that is easier for me to understand. Instead of quarks, I thought of Hydrogen atoms. Instead of color charge, I thought of electric charge. If one hydrogen ion is more negatively charged than another, this is due to it having more electrons. I therefore thought that a difference in color charge for the same type of quark would require different composition.
 
Eli137 said:
I was thinking about it like chemistry, since that is easier for me to understand. Instead of quarks, I thought of Hydrogen atoms. Instead of color charge, I thought of electric charge. If one hydrogen ion is more negatively charged than another, this is due to it having more electrons. I therefore thought that a difference in color charge for the same type of quark would require different composition.
If you want to think about it like chemistry, then perhaps color of the quark is the most similar to spin of the electron. As you might know, spin can be viewed as a row consisting of two numbers (a,b), e.g. (1/2,0) or (0,1/2). Likewise, color can be viewed as a row consisting of three numbers (A,B,C). Of course, quark also has spin, so quark can be more fully characterized by two rows (a,b) ##\times## (A,B,C).
 
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Demystifier said:
If you want to think about it like chemistry, then perhaps color of the quark is the most similar to the spin of the electron. As you might now, spin can be viewed as a row consisting of two numbers (a,b), e.g. (1/2,0) or (0,1/2). Likewise, color can be viewed as as a row consisting of three numbers (A,B,C). Of course, quark also has spin, so quark can be more fully characterized by two rows (a,b) ##\times## (A,B,C).
So can a red quark become a blue or green quark?
 
Different colors don't mean more or less than a quantity (energy, color charge, whatever). The three colors are orthogonal properties. Though an anti-color is the negative of that specific color number:

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Eli137 said:
So can a red quark become a blue or green quark?
Yes.
 
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Demystifier said:
Yes.
What makes a quark change color charge?
 
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Eli137 said:
What makes a quark change color charge?
Interaction with another quark, via a gluon. The total color charge of the whole system cannot change.
 
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Demystifier said:
Interaction with another quark, via a gluon. The total color charge of the whole system cannot change.
OK I think I finally get it. Thank you.
 
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Eli137 said:
OK I think I finally get it. Thank you.

The big difference between QCD and QED is that the "force carrier" in QCD, the gluon, can itself have a color charge. In contrast, in QED, the force carrier, the photon, does not have an electric charge. So an electromagnetic interaction doesn't change the charge of a particle, but a QCD interaction can change the color of a particle.
 

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