QFT Time Ordering: Solve Mystery of Operator Rewriting

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The discussion revolves around the time ordering operator in quantum field theory (QFT) and its application in rewriting operator products. Participants explore the properties of the time ordering operator and the unitary operator, as well as the implications of these properties for manipulating expressions involving time-dependent operators.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a specific operator rewriting involving the time ordering operator and unitary operators, seeking clarification on the process.
  • Another participant notes an implicit assumption regarding the time ordering parameters, specifically that ##\beta>\tau>\tau'>0##.
  • A participant suggests a method for rearranging operators to achieve time ordering, indicating that the time-ordering symbol can be dropped once the operators are in the correct order.
  • There is a question raised about how to assign a time to the unitary operator U(t1,t2), with some participants suggesting it can be viewed as a product of operators at closely spaced times.
  • Another participant references a book that provides a clear explanation of the time ordering operator and related concepts, suggesting it as a resource for understanding.
  • There is further inquiry about assigning a time value to U(t1,t2), with a suggestion that it could be considered as a time between t1 and t2.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the assignment of time to the unitary operator and the specifics of the rewriting process. There is no consensus on these points, and multiple viewpoints are presented.

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Participants discuss the implications of time ordering and unitary operators without resolving the complexities involved in these concepts. The discussion includes assumptions about time parameters and the nature of operator products.

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I have asked this question once, but no one seemed to notice it, so I'll try again. In my book the time ordering operator is used to rewrite an operator product:

U(β,τ)A(τ)U(τ,τ')B(τ')U(τ',0) = T_τ(U(β,0)A(τ)B(τ'))

To refresh your memories the time ordering operator T_τ orders operators according to time such that:
T_τ(A(τ)B(τ')) = A(τ)B(τ') for τ>τ' and B(τ')A(τ) for τ'>τ
And the operator U(t,t') is a unitary operator that propagates a state from t' to t and has the property that:
U(t,t')=U(t,t'')U(t'',t')

I am still unsure how the rewriting is done though. One key ingredient is to use the property of the unitary above to write:
This way we have:
U(0,β)=U(0,τ')U(τ',τ)U(τ,β)
And i think the idea is then to insert in the expression and use time-order but I am not sure how to.
 
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There is an implicit assumption here that ##\beta>\tau>\tau'>0##.

Start with
[tex]T[U(\beta,0)A(\tau)B(\tau')][/tex]
Then substitute in
[tex]U(\beta,0)=U(\beta,\tau)U(\tau,\tau')U(\tau',0)[/tex]
to get
[tex]T[U(\beta,\tau)U(\tau,\tau')U(\tau',0)A(\tau)B(\tau')][/tex]
Now rearrange the operators so that time labels decrease as you go left to right:
[tex]T[U(\beta,\tau)A(\tau)U(\tau,\tau')B(\tau')U(\tau',0)][/tex]
The labels are now in time-order, so the time-ordering symbol can be dropped:
[tex]U(\beta,\tau)A(\tau)U(\tau,\tau')B(\tau')U(\tau',0)[/tex]
QED.
 
hmm okay I thought it was something like that, but I am still unsure though. Which time do you assing to the operator U(t1,t2)? It propagates a state from t1 to t2, so it is not really a function of one time - or am I missing something?
 
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aaaa202 said:
Which time do you assign to the operator U(t1,t2)?
You can think of it as a product of many operators at closely spaced times, and break it up as needed; this is what I did above.
 
So I should basically assign to U(t1,t2) a value of time between t1 and t2?
 

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