QM Measurements - probability, expectation value

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The discussion revolves around quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on angular momentum measurements for a system with quantum number l=1. The original poster is exploring the possible results and probabilities associated with the angular momentum state represented by a specific vector.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the eigenvalues and eigenvectors related to the angular momentum operator L_z, questioning the observable being measured and the corresponding units of the eigenvalues. There is also an exploration of the probability calculation involving the modulus of inner products.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing hints and clarifications regarding the eigenvectors and the nature of the measurement. There is a recognition of the need for orthonormality in the eigenvectors, and participants are questioning the probabilities associated with different eigenvalues.

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Some participants note the lack of explicit mention of the observable being measured initially, leading to some confusion. The discussion also highlights the formatting challenges with mathematical expressions in the forum.

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Homework Statement



What are the possible results and their probabilities for a system with l=1 in the angular momentum state u = [tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}[/tex](1 1 0)? What is the expectation value?
((1 1 0) is a vertical matrix but I can't see how to format that)

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[tex]L_{z} = \hbar[/tex](1,0,-1) for l=1 where (1,0,-1) represents the block diagonal... again, not sure how to do matrices on here :rolleyes:

By saying [tex]L_{z}u = \lambda u[/tex] and just comparing I have results for lambda of +1, 0, -1.

I know probability is the modulus of <a|u> squared where a is a corresponding eigenvector... but I'm getting a bit lost somehow. Normally I'm ok with these, but this time I'm just not sure on what to do next.
Any hints would be greatly appreciated :smile:
 
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duckie said:

Homework Statement



What are the possible results and their probabilities for a system with l=1 in the angular momentum state u = [tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}[/tex](1 1 0)? What is the expectation value?
((1 1 0) is a vertical matrix but I can't see how to format that)

I assume you are asked the possible outcomes and their probabilities for a measurement of [itex]L_z[/itex]? You haven't actually said which observable your measuring in this problem statement.

There are several environments you can use to display matrices and column vector in [itex]\LaTeX[/itex] (see my sig). To see how to generate the following image, just click on it.

[tex]u=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 1 \\ 0\end{pmatrix}[/tex]


[tex]L_{z} = \hbar[/tex](1,0,-1) for l=1 where (1,0,-1) represents the block diagonal... again, not sure how to do matrices on here :rolleyes:

Again, click on the following image:

[tex]L_z=\hbar\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & -1\end{pmatrix}[/tex]

By saying [tex]L_{z}u = \lambda u[/tex] and just comparing I have results for lambda of +1, 0, -1.

Shouldn't your eigenvalues have units of angular momentum ?:wink:

I know probability is the modulus of <a|u> squared where a is a corresponding eigenvector... but I'm getting a bit lost somehow. Normally I'm ok with these, but this time I'm just not sure on what to do next.
Any hints would be greatly appreciated :smile:

Well, what are the eigenvectors [itex]|a\rangle[/itex] of [itex]L_z[/itex]?
 
gabbagabbahey said:
I assume you are asked the possible outcomes and their probabilities for a measurement of [itex]L_z[/itex]? You haven't actually said which observable your measuring in this problem statement.
Urgh sorry, yes I meant for a measurement of [itex]L_z[/itex]... Late night :frown:

gabbagabbahey said:
Shouldn't your eigenvalues have units of angular momentum ?:wink:
And yes, I meant 0, [tex]\pm\hbar[/tex].


gabbagabbahey said:
Well, what are the eigenvectors [itex]|a\rangle[/itex] of [itex]L_z[/itex]?

Right, I think they're [tex]\begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \\ 0\end{pmatrix}[/tex] for [tex]\lambda=\hbar[/tex], [tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 1 \\ 1\end{pmatrix}[/tex] for [tex]\lambda=0[/tex], and [tex]\begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 0 \\ 1\end{pmatrix}[/tex] for [tex]\lambda=-\hbar[/tex].

Are those right?
 
duckie said:
Right, I think they're [tex]\begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \\ 0\end{pmatrix}[/tex] for [tex]\lambda=\hbar[/tex], [tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 1 \\ 1\end{pmatrix}[/tex] for [tex]\lambda=0[/tex], and [tex]\begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 0 \\ 1\end{pmatrix}[/tex] for [tex]\lambda=-\hbar[/tex].

Are those right?

I'd choose [tex]\begin{pmatrix}0 \\ 1 \\ 0\end{pmatrix}[/tex] for [itex]\lambda=0[/itex], so that your eigenvectors are an orthonormal set.

What does that make the probability of measuring zero for [itex]L_z[/itex]? How about [itex]\hbar[/itex]? And [itex]-\hbar[/itex]?
 

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