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The discussion revolves around the equations of momentum, particularly in the context of elastic collisions. Participants explore the assumptions made in the derivation of momentum equations and the implications of those assumptions on physical interpretations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster questions the assumptions regarding the initial and final velocities in the context of momentum conservation. Some participants clarify the definitions of initial and final velocities and discuss the implications of setting these velocities equal.

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Participants are actively exploring the implications of the assumptions made in the equations. Clarifications about the conservation of momentum and energy in elastic collisions have been provided, but no consensus has been reached regarding the original poster's questions.

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There is an emphasis on the conditions under which the equations apply, particularly the distinction between elastic and inelastic collisions. The discussion highlights the potential issues with dividing by zero in the context of the equations presented.

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hi, i read in a textbook that one equation for momentum is :

where U = intial velocity, V = Final velocity

U_1 + V_1 = V_2 + U_2 ----------- (1)

Equation (1) is derieve from Equation of " conservation of momentum " and " conservation of kinetic energy". and that they assume that

V_2 is not equal is U_2 and ,

V_1 is not equal to U_1.

why did they take this assumption? ( the book did not offer further explanation)

And what does it mean physically when u take

V_2 = U_2 and ,

V_1 = U_1. ??

+ Collision is Elastic +
 
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think about what u and v actually mean first, u is the initial velocity like you said and v is the final velcity.

i thought that the conservation of momentum is given by;

[tex]mu_{1}+mu_{2}=mv_{1}+mv_{2}[/tex]

where [tex]u_{1}[/tex] is the initial velocity of object 1 and [tex]u_{2}[/tex] is the initial velocity of object 2, and likewise for the final velocity. this is conservation of momentum for inelastic collisons.

when v=u it means that no kinetic energy is lost during the collision.
 
That equation says that the relative velocity of approach before the collision equals the relative velocity of separation after the collision. It is derived by combining conservation of momentum and conservation of energy. (Thus it is only valid for elastic collisions.) In the derivation, one divides by terms equivalent to "V_2 - U_2" and "V_1 - U_1", so if V_2 = U_2 or V_1 = U_1, you'd be dividing by zero, which is a no-no.

But that's not very restrictive, since if V_2 = U_2 & V_1 = U_1 there would be no collision anyway. :wink:
 
Doc Al said:
That equation says that the relative velocity of approach before the collision equals the relative velocity of separation after the collision. It is derived by combining conservation of momentum and conservation of energy. (Thus it is only valid for elastic collisions.) In the derivation, one divides by terms equivalent to "V_2 - U_2" and "V_1 - U_1", so if V_2 = U_2 or V_1 = U_1, you'd be dividing by zero, which is a no-no.

But that's not very restrictive, since if V_2 = U_2 & V_1 = U_1 there would be no collision anyway. :wink:

lol I meant that I am a bit tired so not thinking straight
 

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