What are the values of p, q, and r in this quadratic equation?

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To find the values of p, q, and r in the quadratic equation 3x^2 + 12x + 5 = p(x + q)^2 + r, the method of completing the square is recommended. Start by factoring out the greatest common factor from the first two terms, resulting in 3(x^2 + 4x) + 5. Completing the square for x^2 + 4x leads to an expression that can be compared with p(x + q)^2 + r. This approach allows for the identification of the parameters p, q, and r. The discussion emphasizes the importance of not dividing by 3 initially and correctly applying the completing the square technique.
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Homework Statement



Given that for all values of x:

3x^2 + 12x + 5 = p(x +q)^2 + r

a) find the values of p, q and r
b) solve the equation 3x^2 + 12x + 5 = 0


The Attempt at a Solution



I'm completely lost here but here's my attempt at a solution - I'm pretty sure that I did it all wrong:

I divided them by 3 and moved the last bit to the other side of the equal sign and made it a minus. I tried using the complete the square method:

x^2+4x=-7/3

After that I have no idea what to do... I don't have a clue how I find the values of p, q and r.
 
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Try to rewrite 3x^2 + 12x +5 itself using completing the square, then compare the result to p(x+q)^2 + r
 
statdad said:
Try to rewrite 3x^2 + 12x +5 itself using completing the square, then compare the result to p(x+q)^2 + r

I'm sorry you have to be more clear, I'm a newb.
 
In other words, don't divide by 3 first. It is possible to complete the square even if the coefficient of the x2 term is not 1. Here's a hint to get you started: factor out a GCF from the first 2 terms only (ignoring the constant term).
 
Start with 3x^2+12 + 5, write it as 3(x^2+4x) + 5, and complete the square to write it as 3(x+ \text{something })^2 + \text{something}.

Then compare it with p(x+q)^2 + r.
 
I tried to combine those 2 formulas but it didn't work. I tried using another case where there are 2 red balls and 2 blue balls only so when combining the formula I got ##\frac{(4-1)!}{2!2!}=\frac{3}{2}## which does not make sense. Is there any formula to calculate cyclic permutation of identical objects or I have to do it by listing all the possibilities? Thanks
Since ##px^9+q## is the factor, then ##x^9=\frac{-q}{p}## will be one of the roots. Let ##f(x)=27x^{18}+bx^9+70##, then: $$27\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)^2+b\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)+70=0$$ $$b=27 \frac{q}{p}+70 \frac{p}{q}$$ $$b=\frac{27q^2+70p^2}{pq}$$ From this expression, it looks like there is no greatest value of ##b## because increasing the value of ##p## and ##q## will also increase the value of ##b##. How to find the greatest value of ##b##? Thanks
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