Quadratic Equations (that can't be Factorised)

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality \( p^2 - 3(p + 3) \geq 0 \) given a specific expression for \( p \) in terms of \( x \). The context is within the subject area of quadratic equations and their properties, particularly focusing on the nature of roots based on the discriminant.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the expression for \( p \) and relate it to the discriminant of a quadratic equation. They question whether their approach is correct and how to proceed from their last step.

Discussion Status

Some participants confirm the correctness of the original poster's work and suggest continuing from the last step. Guidance is provided on interpreting the discriminant and its implications for the roots of the quadratic equation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes the assumption that \( x \) is real, which is central to the problem's requirements. There is an exploration of the conditions under which the quadratic equation has real solutions based on the discriminant.

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Homework Statement

If x is real and p = [tex]\frac{3(x^{2}+1)}{2x-1}[/tex], prove that p2 - 3(p+3) [tex]\geq[/tex] 0.

Homework Equations



ax2 + bx + c = 0

x = [tex]\frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^{2}-4ac}}{2a}[/tex]

Nature of the Roots of a Quadratic Equation:

If b2 - 4ac is positive, quadratic equation has two real & distinct roots.

If b2 - 4ac is zero, quadratic equation has repeated roots or equal roots.

If b2 - 4ac is negative, quadratic equation has no real roots.

The Attempt at a Solution



p = [tex]\frac{3(x^{2}+1)}{2x-1}[/tex]

p(2x - 1) = 3(x2 + 1)

3x2 - 2px + (p + 3) = 0

Now to determine the nature of the root:

b2 - 4ac = (-2p)2 - 4(3)(p + 3)

b2 - 4ac = 4[p2 - 3(p + 3)]

After this stage, i don't know how to continue on to prove that p2 - 3(p+3) [tex]\geq[/tex] 0. Or is my above strategy wrong?
 
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Everything you have done so far is correct. So let's continue from your last step.

[tex]b^2 - 4ac = 4[p^2 - 3(p + 3)][/tex]

You stated in the relevant equation section that if [itex]b^2-4ac \geq 0[/itex] then x has real solutions. So let's take a real number, let's say [itex]n \geq 0[/itex] so that [itex]b^2-4ac=n[/itex]. Do you understand that for this n x always has a real root? Now solve [itex]n = 4[p^2 - 3(p + 3)][/itex] for [itex]p^2-3(p+3)[/itex]. What can you conclude now?Alternatively calculate x by using the ABC formula so you get the following equation for x:

[tex]x= \frac{2p \pm \sqrt{4p^2-4*3(p+3)}}{6}[/tex]. Do you now see why it follows that [itex]p^2-3(p+3)\geq 0[/itex]?
 
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Ohhhhh... now i get it! :smile:

Since the question has already informed us that x is real for the following formula:

x = [tex]\frac{-b + \sqrt{b^{2} - 4ac}}{2a}[/tex]

therefore,

(b2 - 4ac) can either be equal or greater than zero, so as to produce real roots for this quadratic equation.

Thanks Cyosis for the guidance!

mcsun
 
You're welcome.
 

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