Quadratic Equations (that can't be Factorised)

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality p² - 3(p + 3) ≥ 0, given p = 3(x² + 1)/(2x - 1). Participants clarify that the nature of the roots of the quadratic equation can be determined using the discriminant, b² - 4ac, which must be non-negative for real solutions. The equation simplifies to 4[p² - 3(p + 3)], leading to the conclusion that if this expression is non-negative, the quadratic has real roots. The participants confirm that since x is real, the inequality holds true. The discussion concludes with an acknowledgment of the guidance provided in solving the problem.
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Homework Statement

If x is real and p = \frac{3(x^{2}+1)}{2x-1}, prove that p2 - 3(p+3) \geq 0.

Homework Equations



ax2 + bx + c = 0

x = \frac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^{2}-4ac}}{2a}

Nature of the Roots of a Quadratic Equation:

If b2 - 4ac is positive, quadratic equation has two real & distinct roots.

If b2 - 4ac is zero, quadratic equation has repeated roots or equal roots.

If b2 - 4ac is negative, quadratic equation has no real roots.

The Attempt at a Solution



p = \frac{3(x^{2}+1)}{2x-1}

p(2x - 1) = 3(x2 + 1)

3x2 - 2px + (p + 3) = 0

Now to determine the nature of the root:

b2 - 4ac = (-2p)2 - 4(3)(p + 3)

b2 - 4ac = 4[p2 - 3(p + 3)]

After this stage, i don't know how to continue on to prove that p2 - 3(p+3) \geq 0. Or is my above strategy wrong?
 
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Everything you have done so far is correct. So let's continue from your last step.

b^2 - 4ac = 4[p^2 - 3(p + 3)]

You stated in the relevant equation section that if b^2-4ac \geq 0 then x has real solutions. So let's take a real number, let's say n \geq 0 so that b^2-4ac=n. Do you understand that for this n x always has a real root? Now solve n = 4[p^2 - 3(p + 3)] for p^2-3(p+3). What can you conclude now?Alternatively calculate x by using the ABC formula so you get the following equation for x:

x= \frac{2p \pm \sqrt{4p^2-4*3(p+3)}}{6}. Do you now see why it follows that p^2-3(p+3)\geq 0?
 
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Ohhhhh... now i get it! :smile:

Since the question has already informed us that x is real for the following formula:

x = \frac{-b + \sqrt{b^{2} - 4ac}}{2a}

therefore,

(b2 - 4ac) can either be equal or greater than zero, so as to produce real roots for this quadratic equation.

Thanks Cyosis for the guidance!

mcsun
 
You're welcome.
 
I tried to combine those 2 formulas but it didn't work. I tried using another case where there are 2 red balls and 2 blue balls only so when combining the formula I got ##\frac{(4-1)!}{2!2!}=\frac{3}{2}## which does not make sense. Is there any formula to calculate cyclic permutation of identical objects or I have to do it by listing all the possibilities? Thanks
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