Quantized Dirac Field Interacting with a Classical Potential

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The discussion revolves around the quantized Dirac field interacting with a classical potential, specifically focusing on the one-body scattering operator \mathcal{F}(A) as defined in Itzykson and Zuber's QFT textbook. Participants explore the physical interpretation of this operator, its recursive definition, and the implications for calculating pair production probabilities in varying electric fields.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that \mathcal{F}(A) represents a one-particle-in one-particle-out scattering amplitude, with incoming and outgoing spinor factors removed and Fourier transformed to position space.
  • Others argue that the recursive definition of \mathcal{F}(A) complicates finding a general solution, noting that only special cases have been solved.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the lowest order emission probability and the exact emission probability for a constant electric field, highlighting that both are linear in the coupling constant \alpha.
  • There is uncertainty regarding how to compute higher order corrections to the emission probability, with some suggesting that the logarithmic expansion of \ln(1+tt^\dagger) leads to the lowest order contribution.
  • Some participants express confusion about how the logarithmic expression yields the trace involving the scattering operator and density matrices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the complexity of deriving \mathcal{F}(A) for arbitrary fields, but multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation and implications of the scattering operator and the methods for calculating emission probabilities. The discussion remains unresolved on several technical points.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions and the unresolved nature of higher order contributions in the general case. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the behavior of the scattering operator in different field configurations.

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Hi,

I'm working through Section 4-3 of Itzykzon and Zuber's QFT textbook, but I am a bit stuck while trying to understand some of the quantities and equations.

First of all, what is this "one-body scattering operator [itex]\mathcal{F}(A)[/itex]"? It is defined (eqn 4-89, page 188) as

[tex]\mathcal{F}(A) = e\gamma^{\mu}A_{\mu}(x) + e\gamma^{\mu}A_{\mu}(x)\frac{1}{\gamma^{\mu}P_{\mu}-m+i\epsilon}\mathcal{F}(A)[/tex]

What does this operator physically represent? For most of this section, it seems to be a trick to go through with the calculation. But the pair production probability in eqn 4-99 (page 191) is expressed in terms of an operator [itex]t[/itex] which is in turn defined in terms of the Hermitian adjoint of [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex], in equation 4-98 (page 191).

Secondly, given a particular [itex]A^{\mu}(x)[/itex], I suppose I have to find [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex] somehow. How do I do this? The defining expression above is recursive, and the only two situations for which the authors have actually gone through with the calculation are the lowest order emission rate and the constant field emission rate.

Thirdly, the 'lowest order' emission probability is linear in [itex]\alpha[/itex] (the coupling constant) [equation 4-105, page 192]. But so is the 'exact' emission probability for a constant electric field (equation 4-118, page 195). So, if I understand correctly, the higher order contributions vanish for a constant electric field. Without actually computing the rate, can this be justified physically?

I want to compute higher order corrections to 4-105. So, I need to figure out what [itex]\mathcal{F}(A)[/itex] really is, and how I can obtain it for an arbitrary [itex]A^{\mu}(x)[/itex].

Would appreciate your thoughts...

Thanks in advance.
 
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maverick280857 said:
What does this operator physically represent?
It's a one-particle-in one-particle-out scattering amplitude, with incoming and outgoing spinor factors removed, and then Fourier transformed to position space. If you generate an infinite series by recursion, the [itex]n[/itex]th term corresponds to a Feynman diagram with [itex]n[/itex] interactions with the external field.

maverick280857 said:
Secondly, given a particular [itex]A^{\mu}(x)[/itex], I suppose I have to find [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex] somehow. How do I do this?
No one knows. Only special cases have been solved.

maverick280857 said:
Thirdly, the 'lowest order' emission probability is linear in [itex]\alpha[/itex] (the coupling constant) [equation 4-105, page 192]. But so is the 'exact' emission probability for a constant electric field (equation 4-118, page 195).
I don't have I&Z in front of me, but there is certainly a [itex]1/\alpha[/itex] (or [itex]1/e^2[/itex]) in the exponent of the exponential factor of the exact solution.
 
Thanks for your reply Avodyne.

Avodyne said:
No one knows. Only special cases have been solved.

Okay, so given a general time dependent (and space independent) field [itex]A^{\mu}(x)[/itex] which corresponds to a time-dependent electric field, how does one go about finding the production rate from this method, if there is no known way to write down the scattering operator?

The total pair production probability is given in I&Z by

[tex]W_{tot} = \int d^{4}x\,w(x) = \int d^{3}p\ln(1+tt^{\dagger})[/tex]

where [itex]t[/itex] is an operator defined by

[tex]\langle\boldsymbol{p},a|t|\boldsymbol{p}',b\rangle = 2\pi\sum_{\alpha,\beta}\frac{m}{\sqrt{\omega_P}\sqrt{\omega_P'}}\bar{u}_{\alpha}^{(a)}(p)\langle p,\alpha|\bar{\mathcal{F}}|p',\beta\rangle v_{\beta}^{(b)}(-p')[/tex]

They write down the emission rate to lowest order apparently by evaluating the trace in the definition for [itex]W_{tot}[/itex], to get

[tex]W^{(1)} = -Tr(e\gamma^\mu A_\mu \rho^{(+)}e\gamma^\nu A_\nu \rho^{(-)})[/tex]

where

[tex]\rho^{(\pm)}(P) \equiv 2\pi(\gamma^\mu P_\mu + m)\theta(\pm P^0)\delta(P^2-m^2)[/tex]

I don't understand how the lowest order contribution is obtained. Can you explain this? I want to try and compute higher order corrections. By compute, of course I mean that I want to be able to write them down as integrals involving |E|^2-|B|^2 as done for the lowest order case.

I don't have I&Z in front of me, but there is certainly a [itex]1/\alpha[/itex] (or [itex]1/e^2[/itex]) in the exponent of the exponential factor of the exact solution.

You're right of course...the production probability p.u. time p.u. volume is

[tex]w = \frac{\alpha E^2}{\pi^2}\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^2}\exp\left(-\frac{n\pi m^2}{|eE|}\right)[/tex]

for a constant electric field. So, the exponential does involve [itex]1/e[/itex] or equivalently, [itex]1/\sqrt{\alpha}[/itex].
 
maverick280857 said:
how does one go about finding the production rate from this method, if there is no known way to write down the scattering operator?
Um, you can't, unless you come up with some new method.
maverick280857 said:
I don't understand how the lowest order contribution is obtained. Can you explain this? I want to try and compute higher order corrections.
They expanded the log, [itex]\ln(1+tt^\dagger)=tt^\dagger-{1\over2}tt^\dagger tt^\dagger + \ldots[/itex], and kept only the first term. I don't know how feasible it would be to compute the next term in the general case.
 
Avodyne said:
They expanded the log, [itex]\ln(1+tt^\dagger)=tt^\dagger-{1\over2}tt^\dagger tt^\dagger + \ldots[/itex], and kept only the first term. I don't know how feasible it would be to compute the next term in the general case.

How does [itex]ln(1+tt^{\dagger})[/itex] give

[tex]-Tr(e\gamma^\mu A_\mu \rho^{(+)}e\gamma^\nu A_\nu \rho^{(-)})[/tex]

? This part isn't obvious to me..
 
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maverick280857 said:
How does [itex]ln(1+tt^{\dagger})[/itex] give

[tex]-Tr(e\gamma^\mu A_\mu \rho^{(+)}e\gamma^\nu A_\nu \rho^{(-)})[/tex]

? This part isn't obvious to me..

Okay, I think I got it.
 

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