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The discussion revolves around calculating the momentum and kinetic energy of an electron and a proton accelerated through a potential difference of 10MV, using both relativistic and classical formulas. Participants are exploring the implications of relativistic speeds and comparing results from different approaches.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the momentum and kinetic energy of the electron using relativistic formulas but encounters difficulties when comparing these results with classical calculations. Some participants question how to properly convert units for momentum and energy to facilitate comparison.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the calculations and unit conversions necessary for comparing relativistic and classical results. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between different physical quantities and their units, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions about the need for consistent units when comparing results, particularly the conversion of MeV to joules and the implications for momentum expressed in MeV/c. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the calculations and comparisons, indicating a potential gap in understanding.

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Homework Statement


An electron and a proton are each accelerated through a potential difference of 10MV. find the momentum in MeV/c and the kinetic energy in MeV of each using relativistic formulae and compare with the results of using the classical formulae. Are the particles moving at relativistic speed?



Homework Equations


p=1/c*sqr((E^2)- (mc^2)^2)
p=ymc^2
p=mv
Ek=1/2mv^2

Rest energy of electron is 0.511MeV
Rest energy of proton is 938MeV


The Attempt at a Solution


i have found the momentum of the electron to be 10.5Mev/c by p=1/c sqr(((10+.511)^2)-(0.511)^2). And i believe that the kinetic energy of the electron is 10MeV.
The problem arises when i try to calculate the classical momentum and compare it to the relativistic. I think once shown how to do that i can apply it to the proton. But this question has had me going around in circles for quite some time.
I appreciate the help anyone can give me.

Thanks
 
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You are right, the KE of the electron is 10 MeV.
How do you calculate kinetic energy and momentum in Classical Mechanics?

ehild
 
Ek=1/2mv^2 and p=mv, v/c=sqr(1-((mc^2)/E)^2)
i only have a problem when it asks to compare them, they have to be in the same units to compare properly don't they?
 
zacl79 said:
Ek=1/2mv^2 and p=mv, v/c=sqr(1-((mc^2)/E)^2)
i only have a problem when it asks to compare them, they have to be in the same units to compare properly don't they?

Yes, of course, but you can converse MeV to joules, don't you?

ehild
 
yes, i can convert to joules 1eV=1.6x10^-19 J, but what about momentum? obviously there is somethign that I am not quite clicking onto unit wise, how does Mev/c convert into kg.m/s?
 
Convert MeV to joules [kgm^2/s^2] Dividing by c [m/s] results in kgm/s.

ehild
 
by doing so, won't i be out out by a factor of 2, as Ek=1/2mv^2 and p=mv?
 

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