Quantum Question (dirac notation)

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The discussion revolves around quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on Dirac notation and the interpretation of quantum states and probabilities. Participants are exploring various aspects of a problem related to measuring quantum states and calculating probabilities associated with those states.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the probability of finding a particle in specific quantum states and the implications of coefficients in quantum state equations. Questions arise regarding the calculation of mean energy values and the behavior of quantum states after measurements.

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Some participants have provided guidance on calculating probabilities and interpreting quantum states, while others are seeking clarification on specific concepts and calculations. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the stability of quantum states post-measurement.

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Participants are navigating foundational concepts in quantum mechanics, with some expressing uncertainty due to their early stage in learning the subject. There are references to textbook resources and exam preparations, indicating a broader context of academic pressure and learning challenges.

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Hmm ok so stuck on all parts really..starting with (a), i see that we are looking for the probability that it is in state Eroot6 i.e. |root6>

but how do we work this out? It's not a state of well defined energy so we can't just premultiply by the bra <root6| can we?

Sorry if I am being slow, we've only just started QM :(
 

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According to the statistical interpretation of quantum mechanics, what is the meaning of each of the coefficients in front of each term in equation 2.1?
 
If you were to measure what state particle was in, you'd find it in one of those states, not a mixture. The probability of finding it in one of the states is given by the coefficient of the state squared.

Root 6 is about 2.5. So the question is asking you what the probability is of finding the particle in a state less than 2.5. What is the probability of finding the particle in either the n=1 or n=2 state?
 
oh i see okay thanks. So is it 0.2^2 + 0.3^2? i.e. P(finding it in state 1) + P(finding it in state 2)?
 
JesseC said:
If you were to measure what state particle was in, you'd find it in one of those states, not a mixture. The probability of finding it in one of the states is given by the coefficient of the state squared.

Root 6 is about 2.5. So the question is asking you what the probability is of finding the particle in a state less than 2.5. What is the probability of finding the particle in either the n=1 or n=2 state?

sorry just thought id quote you so you could respond to my q above

thanks
 
bon said:
oh i see okay thanks. So is it 0.2^2 + 0.3^2? i.e. P(finding it in state 1) + P(finding it in state 2)?

To the best of my physics knowledge that is correct :D So long as we're independent of time.

You can confirm that the probability of finding the particle in at least one of those states is 1... if you square and then add all the coefficients you will get 1.
 
Thanks okay! I'm now trying to do (b),(c),(d)

(b) : To work out mean value of energy i know i just work out the sum of En P(En) over all energies right? But how do i derive this from just the knowledge that the mean value of energy is <psi|H|psi> ?

(c): So i know i just multiply every state by e^-iEn/h t Do (a) and (b) stay the same?

(d): The system is in state |4> and it will stay in this state? Is this right??
 
hellooo?
 
Sorry, I don't have time at the moment to look over the rest of the questions. Have you tried a textbook for help?

I am preparing for exams and a lab report :( hopefully someone else can help you.
 
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okkkk no worries..anyone else??
 
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bon said:
Thanks okay! I'm now trying to do (b),(c),(d)

(b) : To work out mean value of energy i know i just work out the sum of En P(En) over all energies right? But how do i derive this from just the knowledge that the mean value of energy is <psi|H|psi> ?
What is H|ψ> equal to?
(c): So i know i just multiply every state by e^-iEn/h t Do (a) and (b) stay the same?
Can you think of a reason that they should not stay the same?
(d): The system is in state |4> and it will stay in this state? Is this right??
What is the wavefunction of the system after the measurement? If you understand part (a) and given that wavefunction, what is the probability that the system will be found in states |1>, |2> and |3>?
 
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kuruman said:
Can you think of a reason that they should not stay the same?


No i guess they are the same then?

kuruman said:
What is the wavefunction of the system after the measurement? If you understand part (a) and given that wavefunction, what is the probability that the system will be found in states |1>, |2> and |3>?


Well after the measurement the state of the system is surely |4>. Won't it stay there?
 
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bon said:
No i guess they are the same then?
You guess right.
Well after the measurement the state of the system is surely |4>. Won't it stay there?
It will unless you perturb it. Note that you can write this state as 0*|1>+0*|2>+0*|3>+1*|4>.
 

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