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The discussion revolves around the properties of Hermitian operators, specifically focusing on the existence of eigenvalues and eigenvectors as stated in the spectral theorem. Participants explore the implications of this theorem within the context of functional analysis and its accessibility to students in physics and mathematics.

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  • One participant states that every Hermitian operator has a basis of orthonormal eigenvectors and questions whether all Hermitian operators must indeed have eigenvalues and eigenvectors.
  • Another participant affirms that this is the essence of the spectral theorem for selfadjoint operators in Hilbert spaces, suggesting it is a well-established result.
  • A request for a proof of the spectral theorem is made, indicating a desire for further understanding.
  • A later reply mentions that while proofs exist, they may not be easily comprehensible to typical physics students without significant background knowledge in linear algebra and topology.
  • The complexity of various spectral theorems is discussed, noting that the proof for bounded normal operators is particularly challenging and requires advanced knowledge in functional analysis, topology, and measure theory.
  • It is also mentioned that even the more general spectral theorems cannot address certain cases, such as momentum eigenstates, which require even broader frameworks.

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Participants generally agree on the significance of the spectral theorem for Hermitian operators, but there is uncertainty regarding the accessibility of its proofs and the implications for various types of operators.

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Limitations include the assumption that all Hermitian operators have eigenvalues and eigenvectors, which may not be universally accepted without further clarification. The discussion also highlights the varying levels of complexity in proofs related to different types of operators.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals in physics and mathematics who are exploring the properties of Hermitian operators and the spectral theorem, as well as those interested in the foundational aspects of functional analysis.

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Theorem: For every Hermitian operator, there exists at least one basis consisting of its orthonormal eigen vectors. It is diagonal in this basis and has its eigenvalues as its diagonal entries.

The theory is apparently making an assumption that every Hermitian operator must have eigen values/vectors. Am I missing something here? Should ALL hermitian operators have eigen values/vectors?
 
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Yes, that is the essential content of the spectral theorem for selfadjoint operators in a Hilbert space which is one of the most widely known results of functional analysis.
 
Is there a proof? Can you link me to one? =)
 
There's no proof that can be fully understood by a typical physics student in less than a year. However, most linear algebra books contains a proof of the finite-dimensional case. (Look for the words "spectral theorem" in any of them).

There's a spectral theorem for compact normal operators that has a proof that can be understood by someone who's good at linear algebra and topology, and only covers a few pages. You might be interested in that, but you will need to learn a non-negligible amount of topology.

The spectral theorem for bounded normal operators is the really hard one. You need lots of functional analysis, topology and measure theory for that one. The two simpler theorems mentioned above are special cases of this one.

However, the one for bounded normal operators is a special case of the one for arbitrary (not necessarily bounded) normal operators, and even that one can't handle things like momentum eigenstates. For that you need an even more general spectral theorem.
 

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