Question about ionic compounds

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The discussion revolves around the nature of changes that occur when ionic compounds melt, specifically whether these changes are physical, chemical, or both. Participants explore the characteristics of ionic compounds in different states and the implications of melting on their properties.

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  • One participant questions whether melting ionic compounds results in a state change, a chemical change, or both, noting the overcoming of electrostatic forces.
  • Another participant asserts that ionic compounds do not undergo chemical changes when melted, suggesting that the classification of changes as physical or chemical is often ambiguous.
  • A different participant describes the properties of ionic compounds, highlighting their insulating nature as solids and their conductivity when melted or dissolved, while maintaining their chemical composition and ionic character.
  • It is noted that the electrostatic forces in ionic compounds are strong, contributing to high melting and boiling points, and that even in the vapor phase, ionic compounds like sodium chloride exist as diatomic molecules.
  • One participant comments on the minor changes in bonding upon melting, stating that the density change is minimal and the positions of ions remain relatively unchanged due to the non-directional nature of ionic bonds.

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Participants express differing views on whether melting constitutes a chemical change, with some asserting it does not while others suggest the classification is complex. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of changes in ionic compounds upon melting.

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Participants highlight the ambiguity in classifying changes as physical or chemical, indicating that the definitions and assumptions may vary. There is also mention of the dependence on specific conditions such as temperature and the nature of ionic bonds.

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When ionic compounds melt, do their state change or they are chemically changed? Or both? Since the electrostatic forces are overcame?
 
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They don't change chemically.

But you are perfectly right about being confused. Trick is, we are trying to classify changes as physical or chemical, when they are often somewhere in between. Nature doesn't care about our classification attempts and has its own ways.
 
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do their state change or they are chemically changed?

some features of ionic compounds;-
As solids they are almost always insulating , but when melted/dissolved they become highly conductive , because the ions are mobilized.
they keep their chemical composition and ionic character. For example,even in the vapor phase sodium chloride exists as diatomic "molecules".

Electrostatic forces between particles are strongest when the charges are high,

and if the distance between the nuclei of the ions is small - In such cases, they generally have very high melting and boiling points and low vapor pressure
when the local structure and bonding of an ionic solid is disrupted sufficiently to melt it, there are still strong long-range electrostatic forces of attraction holding the liquid together and preventing ions boiling to form a gas phase

even room temperature ionic liquids have low vapor pressures, and require substantially higher temperature to boil.

for details see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionic_compound#Melting_and_boiling_points
 
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Just want to comment a little bit on this. On melting, hardly any bonding in an ionic solid is overcome. The density change on melting is rather minor, so that the separation of the ions also hardly change. The ionic bonds are not directed, so the exact position of the ions hardly matters.
 
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