Question about measuring the internal resistance of power supplies

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The discussion revolves around the measurement of internal resistance in power supplies, focusing on the use of low resistance loads during this measurement. Participants explore the implications of internal resistance in both battery and non-battery power supplies, as well as the conditions under which these measurements are made.

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  • Some participants question the necessity of using a low resistance load, suggesting that clarity is needed regarding the context of the question.
  • One participant explains that low internal resistance in power supplies is important for good load regulation, indicating that measuring voltage changes at varying loads can reveal internal resistance.
  • Another participant mentions that the internal resistance of a power supply is determined by its chemical composition and limits the short circuit current.
  • There is a discussion about the internal resistance of non-battery power supplies, with some participants noting that it is less frequently discussed but still relevant.
  • One participant asserts that some power supplies may have negligible internal impedance within their design operating range, while others argue that a finite internal resistance is necessary for stable regulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance and measurement of internal resistance in various types of power supplies. There is no consensus on the necessity of low resistance loads or the characteristics of internal resistance across different power supply types.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the internal resistance may vary depending on the design and operating conditions of the power supply, indicating that assumptions about uniformity may not hold true.

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In measuring the internal resistance of a power supply, why is a resistor with low resistance used?
 
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yubson said:
In measuring the internal resistance of a power supply, why is a resistor with low resistance used?
Who says that it is? You need to be more specific in your question. I think you have misunderstood something.
 
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I don't know exactly how you are using the low resistance here, but speaking generally,
the internal resistance of a power supply is a low value to give good load regulation, so to measure it by measuring the change in voltage at varying loads, you will see the biggest voltage drop when you draw the maximum current. That means using the lowest load resistance that will not overload the supply.
 
yubson said:
In measuring the internal resistance of a power supply, why is a resistor with low resistance used?
Are you talking about an ammeter? Could you be more clear?
 
yubson said:
In measuring the internal resistance of a power supply, why is a resistor with low resistance used?
lekh2003 said:
Are you talking about an ammeter? Could you be more clear?

no

he's referring to the actual internal resistance
We say a battery has an internal resistance, the value of which is determined by the chemical composition etc
it is what limits the short circuit current value

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  1. Internal resistance
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    A practical electrical power source which is a linear electric circuit may, according to Thévenin's theorem, be represented as an ideal voltage source in series with an impedance. This impedance is termed the internal resistance of the source. When the power source delivers current, the measured voltage output is lower than the no-load voltage; the difference is the voltage drop caused by the internal resistance. The concept of internal resistance applies to all kinds of electrical sources and is useful for analyzing many types of electrical circuits.

how to measure internal resistance of a battery ...


I never really hear anyone talking about the internal resistance of a non-battery PSU ... I would assume it would also have one

ahhhh here's some info...
https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/output-resistance-of-dc-supplies.54138/

Dave
 

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yubson said:
In measuring the internal resistance of a power supply, why is a resistor with low resistance used?
I think you are just asking why they use a low resistance load on the power supply. The reason is that the voltage drop with a high current is greater and easy to measure. If you know the Voltage lost (open circuit volts minus test volts) and the current being supplied, it will tell you the value of the Series Resistance that's in the box.
It's only an approximate answer because many power supplies will not have an unvarying internal resistance.
 
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davenn said:
I never really hear anyone talking about the internal resistance of a non-battery PSU ... I would assume it would also have one
Some power supplies have virtually no internal impedance within their design operating range. The voltage stays the same no matter the output current.
 
David Lewis said:
Some power supplies have virtually no internal impedance within their design operating range. The voltage stays the same no matter the output current.
For the regulation to be stable, a PSU would need a finite internal resistance, I think but that could be very low.
 
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David Lewis said:
Some power supplies have virtually no internal impedance within their design operating range. The voltage stays the same no matter the output current.

yes, that will be the case for specifically designed constant voltage or constant current supplies

but for general supplies, internal ( output ) resistance is a factor and is discussed in the link I providedDave
 
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