Question about the derivation of Exact Differentials in thermo

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of exact differentials in thermodynamics, specifically focusing on the differential of entropy, ##dS##, and its dependence on various state variables such as volume (V), temperature (T), pressure (P), and internal energy (U).

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  • The original poster questions why the expansion of ##dS## only includes ##dV## and ##dT##, suggesting that other variables like ##dP## and ##dU## should also be considered. Other participants explain that P and U are not independent of V and T, particularly in the context of ideal gases.

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Participants are exploring the relationships between the variables and clarifying the dependencies among them. Some guidance has been provided regarding the independence of the variables, and the original poster acknowledges this clarification.

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There is a reference to the phase rule, indicating that only two parameters are independently variable for a pure single phase material, which is relevant to the discussion of the state variables.

Jacob Nie
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There is an equation in Riley's Mathematical Methods that I am confused about:

Applying (4.43) to ##dS##, with variables ##V## and ##T##, we find
$$dU = T \ dS - P \ dV = T\left[ \left(\dfrac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right)_T \ dV + \left(\dfrac{\partial S}{\partial T}\right)_V \ dT\right] - P \ dV.$$
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Eq 4.43:
$$ dU = \left(\dfrac{\partial U}{\partial X}\right)_Y \ dX + \left(\dfrac{\partial U}{\partial Y}\right)_X \ dY$$
What I don't understand is why ##dS## is expanded in only the two differentials ##dV## and ##dT.## Why doesn't it look more like:
$$dS = \left(\dfrac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right)_{T,P,U} \ dV + \left(\dfrac{\partial S}{\partial T}\right)_{V,P,U} \ dT + \left(\dfrac{\partial S}{\partial P}\right)_{V,T,U} \ dP + \left(\dfrac{\partial S}{\partial U}\right)_{V,T,P} \ dU$$
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Those other variables, P and U, aren't independent of V and T. For an ideal gas, for example, if you vary V and T, you've determined dP through the ideal gas law.
 
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In this problem,
the fuller description of the energy is U(S,V) [thinking of the energy as function on the S-V plane]
and
the fuller description of the entropy is S(V,T) [thinking of the entropy as function on the V-T plane].
 
Thank you for the responses - that makes sense.

I forgot to read the sentence of the book that said:
These four quantities are not independent, since only two of them are independently variable.
 
According to the phase rule, the thermodynamic equilibrium state of a pure single phase material is determined by only two independent parameters.
 
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