Question: conservation of E and Newton's second law

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The discussion focuses on demonstrating how the law of conservation of mechanical energy in free fall is derived from Newton's second law using calculus. It begins with the energy equation for a particle in one dimension and shows that the rate of change of energy can be expressed in terms of force and potential energy. By substituting Newton's second law into the energy equation, it concludes that the rate of energy change is zero, confirming energy conservation. The conversation then shifts to the two-dimensional case, suggesting that the correct kinetic energy should be substituted, and introduces the concept of torque for rotational motion. Participants express confusion about the algebraic relationships and the gradient operator, indicating a need for further clarification on these concepts.
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I was wondering if anyone had some input on how, via calculus, to show how the law of conservation of mechanical energy for an object in free fall (ideal) is a direct consequence of the of Newtons second law.
 
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The energy of a particle moving in 1 dimension through a potential field V(x) is
E=\frac{1}{2} m ( dx/dt )^{2} + V(x)
Then the rate of change of the energy is
dE/dt = m ( dx/dt ) ( d^{2} x/dt^{2}) + dV/dt

Use Newton's second law on the first term to give
dE/dt = F ( dx/dt ) + dV/dt

But by definition,
F= - dV/dx = - (dV/dt) / (dx/dt)

Substituting this into the previous expression gives dE/dt=0, as expected.
 
Thanks! but what about 2-dimensional case?
 
huhmattg said:
Thanks! but what about 2-dimensional case?

Just substitute the correct kinetic energy into the problem. If you have rotation you will have to look the torque. And remember that:

\mathbf{F}=-\mathbf{\nabla}V(\mathbf{r})
 
Sorry but I am still confused, is there a way to express the relationship algebraically?
 
What do you mean?
 
I am having a probelm understanding the formulas
 
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